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I wouldn’t mind seeing Belle on her own for this half of the season/going into season 5 but I would very much like for RumBelle to be back together by the end of the series.
The writers don’t seem to know how to write RumBelle as a couple working together. They’re constantly separated. They’ve not spent a season where they haven’t been separated through some means or another. The curse, Amnesia, Neverland, Enforced Slavery, Banishment. Is it so hard for the writers actually having RumBelle work together towards a goal?
Out of interest, how do you think Rumple should win back Belle’s trust and forgiveness?
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Keeper of FelixOut of interest, how do you think Rumple should win back Belle’s trust and forgiveness?
Honestly? He shouldn’t try. I hate the idea that he has to “win” her back as if he can either
1) show up with flowers and candy and “golly, honey, I’m really sorry. It won’t happen again” and make everything right as rain…which makes Belle look like a naive idiot.
2) OR he performs X number of actions and Belle says, “yes that was the correct number of moves! You may now get your woman back!” Which…again, makes her look silly and supercilious.
The fist half of this arc is going to have Rumple as the Big Bad working along side and directing the other three Big Bad’s in how to take away the happy endings of the heroes. It’s going to solidify for Belle that Rumple is now past saving and that he loves his power more. This idea that after the QoD arc is ended Rumple is going to be really sorry and will somehow manage to ‘win” Belle back (what a horrible phrase. I hate and loathe when men say they can win a woman as if she is some object that takes the right number of moves and strategy to make theirs) makes the writers look like children who are deeply out of touch with romantic relationships.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I hate the idea that he has to “win” her back as if he can either 1) show up with flowers and candy and “golly, honey, I’m really sorry. It won’t happen again” and make everything right as rain…which makes Belle look like a naive idiot. 2) OR he performs X number of actions and Belle says, “yes that was the correct number of moves! You may now get your woman back!” Which…again, makes her look silly and supercilious. The fist half of this arc is going to have Rumple as the Big Bad working along side and directing the other three Big Bad’s in how to take away the happy endings of the heroes. It’s going to solidify for Belle that Rumple is now past saving and that he loves his power more. This idea that after the QoD arc is ended Rumple is going to be really sorry and will somehow manage to ‘win” Belle back (what a horrible phrase. I hate and loathe when men say they can win a woman as if she is some object that takes the right number of moves and strategy to make theirs) makes the writers look like children who are deeply out of touch with romantic relationships.
Did I ever mention about how much I love your posts in regard to Rumbelle lately @rumplesgirl ? Because I really do. You hit on all the points perfectly. Especially this one.
The writers don’t seem to know how to write RumBelle as a couple working together. They’re constantly separated. They’ve not spent a season where they haven’t been separated through some means or another. The curse, Amnesia, Neverland, Enforced Slavery, Banishment. Is it so hard for the writers actually having RumBelle work together towards a goal?
The writers have kept Rumple separate from everyone else, including Belle, because he is just too powerful. Can you imagine if every time the heroes were in distress that Rumple agreed to help them? Belle would surely have Rumple simply wave his hands and be done with it. The season would’ve been over in 2 or 3 episodes because Rumple is pretty much stronger than every villain he’s come up against. That is why Peter Pan and Zelena had to have a magical device to contain or to control Rumple (Pandora’s box and the dagger, respectively). The only way Cora was able to come close to becoming the next dark one was thanks to Hook poisoning Rumple with dream shade in NYC.
The writers seem to think Rumpel’s dark-one curse is the drama that keeps Rumple, and by extension, Belle, interesting. After all, Robert Carlyle has said similar things, like Rumple cannot just become Mr. Nice Guy who plays the prince with his Beauty, because then he would cease to be the complicated, dangerous villain. A lot of fans would probably complain that he’d been emasculated or turned into a lovesick weakling. That’s probably why the writers think that if they were to break his curse now, then all the angst of Rumbelle’s relationship would evaporate and people would lose interest.
However, I tend to disagree, because look how powerful Rumple’s struggle to find redemption in S3a was. While being the dark one made Rumple a villain, it was his love for Baelfire, and later on, for Belle, which made Rumple interesting and complicated. I suppose it was the struggle to be good, to be human, despite being cursed as the dark one, that made most of us fall for Rumple. It was Rumple’s yearning to redeem himself by giving his son a second chance that made his sacrifice so noble. Yet, now that his son is gone, Rumple’s motivation for power seems incredibly selfish, and in my estimation, has made Rumple way less sympathetic and understandable. The writers don’t even want to address that killing off Neal has destroyed Rumple’s characterization. The death hasn’t even been addressed since 4×1. Rumple wanting power for power’s sake just feels like a feeble attempt by the writers to keep Rumple on the dark side, but without any redemptive struggle. The writers could’ve had Henry or Belle become that light in his life, but instead, the writers have sidelined Henry and Belle, and forgotten that Neal ever existed.
Out of interest, how do you think Rumple should win back Belle’s trust and forgiveness?
By breaking the dark-one curse through true love, rather than through the sorcerer’s hat. I think that the only way for Rumple to regain Belle’s trust is to choose her and let go of magic once and for all. That would show that he really had overcome that addiction. Also, I think Rumple’s darkness is directly linked to that curse, so once the curse is lifted, his temptation to lie and to collect power is drastically diminished. I tend to think that breaking the dark-one curse would actually be the next logical thing to do, especially if this were the final season. Rumple would be weaker, yes, but his knowledge and experience gained over centuries, could still prove to be invaluable to characters like Emma and Regina, whose combined magic is very powerful. Also, Rumple is a character whose cunning is not dependent on magic (as we saw with Mr. Gold in S1 before he had magic), and so his wits and his ability to outsmart his foes, are what make him so compelling, even more so than his raw magical ability. If S4 were the last season, I think the writers would be going this route. However, since we probably are getting a S5, making Rumple into the next Big Bad was the way to prolong the inevitable before breaking his curse once and for all.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Also, Rumple is a character whose cunning is not dependent on magic (as we saw with Mr. Gold in S1 before he had magic)
In season one, yes, he was not dependent on magic. Season 2 and onwards, he is more than dependent on magic now. He’s obsessed with it. Rumple has an addiction. And I think that he still thinks he can have both magic and Belle, but he can’t. Belle showed him that he can’t. But his quest to find the author in 4B, I’m pretty sure will about finding a loophole (because Rumple is good at finding those), a way to have both Belle and magic.
I’m not sure if the culmination of this arc will be removing Rumple’s power through true love’s kiss. I think that would be better saved for the final season. I think Adam and Eddy plan Once for at least 7 seasons, I think, so the end of the series is a long way off still.
In season one, yes, he was not dependent on magic. Season 2 and onwards, he is more than dependent on magic now. He’s obsessed with it. Rumple has an addiction. And I think that he still thinks he can have both magic and Belle, but he can’t. Belle showed him that he can’t. But his quest to find the author in 4B, I’m pretty sure will about finding a loophole (because Rumple is good at finding those), a way to have both Belle and magic.
Yes, Rumple is an addict. Not letting go of magic has always been his fatal flaw, and that is why he abandoned both Bae and Belle in the past. He is afraid of being without it. There is no simple cure. That is why I said the only way to gain back Belle’s trust would be to let go of it forever. Unless he does, then he does not deserve another chance with her, and she will never feel like she is his true love until he lets go of the magic.
I’m not sure if the culmination of this arc will be removing Rumple’s power through true love’s kiss. I think that would be better saved for the final season. I think Adam and Eddy plan Once for at least 7 seasons, I think, so the end of the series is a long way off still.
I agree that Rumple’s curse probably won’t be broken until the last season. However, I’m less inclined to think the show will last 7 seasons, because I think the 5th season will be the last one. The ratings haven’t been strong enough, and actors like Robert Carlyle only signed a 5-year contract, and I highly doubt he will sign another contract. Once 5 years is up, I think he is gone because he doesn’t like the direction the show has gone. Certain comments he’s made in interviews have suggested he preferred it when the show was more about family and less about romance, etc…That is why I think Rumple’s dark one curse will be lifted by no later than next season (assuming there is a next season).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Honestly, I don’t think breaking his curse would do anything. His problem is not that he is cursed, his problem is that he has become addicted to the power that came with his curse. You take away the curse, fine, but it doesn’t remove his addiction to power (unless they REALLY want to anger addicts and people who struggle with this very real problem). Rumple will always feel the draw to power, he’ll always want power and control because of the powerlessness he once felt. His curse can be taken away but what happens when a big bad comes to town and threatens Belle? What will he do? He’ll try to find some source of power to protect Belle thus going back to his never ending cycle abusive cycle.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Honestly, I don’t think breaking his curse would do anything. His problem is not that he is cursed, his problem is that he has become addicted to the power that came with his curse. You take away the curse, fine, but it doesn’t remove his addiction to power (unless they REALLY want to anger addicts and people who struggle with this very real problem). Rumple will always feel the draw to power, he’ll always want power and control because of the powerlessness he once felt. His curse can be taken away but what happens when a big bad comes to town and threatens Belle? What will he do? He’ll try to find some source of power to protect Belle thus going back to his never ending cycle abusive cycle.
On the one hand I agree that magic will always be a temptation. However, it is his curse that severely inclines him to hold onto the magic. To say that an addict can never overcome the addiction is incorrect, because it can be done through complete abstinence of the addictive substance. That is what AA is all about. That is why a true alcoholic can never have even a drop of alcohol if he hopes not to fall off of the bandwagon. To say that Rumple can never overcome this cycle is not fair to addicts who have overcome their addictions. It can be done, because I’ve witnessed it in people I know. I honestly think that Baelfire had the right idea in wanting his father to come with him to A Land Without Magic. Rumple and Belle need to move to A Land Without Magic, somewhere out of the way, where there are no villains, magic or monsters. Rumple needs to remove himself from being anywhere near magic. That is why banishment from town was actually tough love on Belle’s part. The thing is, she probably could’ve gone with him, to make sure he didn’t get up to no good in NYC.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
To say that an addict can never overcome the addiction is incorrect, because it can be done through complete abstinence of the addictive substance. That is what AA is all about. That is why a true alcoholic can never have even a drop of alcohol if he hopes not to fall off of the bandwagon. To say that Rumple can never overcome this cycle is not fair to addicts who have overcome their addictions. It can be done, because I’ve witnessed it in people I know.
There is no cure to addiction. Once an addict, always an addict. It’s about remission and resistance, not a cure. The reason alcoholics can’t have a drink some point down the road is because it opens up pandora’s box once more.
Although the word “cure” has a more subtle meaning than many recognize, it is clear that in the case of addiction, the word can be terribly misused. People believe a cure means they are no longer an addict or alcoholic. The truth is, alcoholism and other addictions are more like a chronic disease that can be held in remission indefinitely if the right steps are taken, but it cannot be cured in that you must remain aware of your vulnerabilities as well as environment cues that could set you up for relapse.
Reputable alcohol and drug treatment centers will never use the word “cure” because they know it is misleading and dangerous. In truth, it is a manipulative marketing technique and usually based on anecdotes. Of course, the success stories abound, and all the failures are conveniently forgotten.
http://www.elementsbehavioralhealth.com/addiction/is-there-really-a-cure-for-addiction/
Can diabetes be cured? No. It can be managed successfully with proper treatment. But treatment is lifelong. It’s chronic, it’s progressive, it’s characterized by relapses…and if untreated or mistreated, it can and will result in death.
Yet, addiction, a similar disease, is supposed to be CURED in 7 days…or 28 days of treatment. It doesn’t make sense. There is no cure for any of these chronic, progressive diseases. They all require lifelong treatment. Addiction is no different.
Treatment for addiction works…if the person stays engaged in treatment. If the diabetic stops treatment, he or she is likely to relapse and may die. Addiction is no different.
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/addiction/berman/treatment/
<h2>Can addiction be treated successfully?</h2>
Yes. Addiction is a treatable disease. Research in the science of addiction and the treatment of substance use disorders has led to the development of evidence-based interventions that help people stop abusing drugs and resume productive lives.
<h2>Can addiction be cured?</h2>
Not always—but like other chronic diseases, addiction can be managed successfully. Treatment enables people to counteract addiction’s powerful disruptive effects on their brain and behavior and regain control of their lives.http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugs-brains-behavior-science-addiction/treatment-recovery
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"There is no cure to addiction. Once an addict, always an addict. It’s about remission and resistance, not a cure. The reason alcoholics can’t have a drink some point down the road is because it opens up pandora’s box once more.
I know this, but I think it’s a matter of semantics. To say that someone could overcome his addiction is not to say he wouldn’t be tempted. Rather, when I say someone could overcome his addiction through abstinence, what I mean is that he physically could overcome his dependence on the addictive substance. Physiologically, a person can wean him or herself off of the addictive substance so that the body doesn’t physically crave it or need it to function. The way to overcome the addictive behavior is through complete abstinence. True, I don’t know how magical curses impact the human body, or how curses work exactly, since they follow made-up laws of magic, rather than physics, but that is why I said Rumple needs to move away from town if he really wants to escape the addictive substance. No magic means no chance of giving in. No curse means even less temptation since the dark magic of the dagger is holding him captive currently.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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