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I think the reason was given in 4×11 when Belle declared that Rumple’s true love was power, not her. I think that could also explain why TLK stopped working in Skin Deep. Belle exclaimed the kiss was working, which caused Rumple to pull away. Rumple realized what was happening (i.e. his curse was being broken) and stubbornly clung to the magic, thereby choosing it, over Belle. As long as Rumple doesn’t want his curse broken (i.e. chooses his magic over his wife), TLK won’t work in any realm, SB or EF. Rumple must choose love over magic, once and for all, for his curse to be broken. However, I fear it could come too late, or that it might be a farewell kiss, but still I hope for a better outcome.
I think that’s quite likely, but you have to question if Rumple choosing to do this changes anything between him and Belle. There is something known as too little too late. He sacrificed his life once before but when he came back, he came back ruthless and still power hungry and murderous. What honestly tells Belle that him giving up his curse will be different?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think the reason was given in 4×11 when Belle declared that Rumple’s true love was power, not her. I think that could also explain why TLK stopped working in Skin Deep. Belle exclaimed the kiss was working, which caused Rumple to pull away. Rumple realized what was happening (i.e. his curse was being broken) and stubbornly clung to the magic, thereby choosing it, over Belle. As long as Rumple doesn’t want his curse broken (i.e. chooses his magic over his wife), TLK won’t work in any realm, SB or EF. Rumple must choose love over magic, once and for all, for his curse to be broken.
This….sounds absolutely great and plausible. I swear A&E just need to hand the show over to the fans, we could do it so much better.
But why does this make them see that he is really good on the inside? The only reason he’s helping is because he got screwed, not mention that the only reason the QoD are plaguing the town of SB is because Rumple brought them there in the first place
Because plot. Its rumpelstilstkin. They need him to be redeemed, they need him to be the hero again some way somehow, they wont just let him die a villain. Whatever it takes, him helping to defeat whatever evil plagues SB whether he brought it or not, im 100% sure will happen.
The writers have said that Rumple is the Big Bad, though. I find it more likely that he would betray the QOD.
Like I said above, he is Rumpelstiltskin, one of our main characters and one of the most popular characters of the show. He will be the Big Bad but he wont stay that way. He’ll come over to the good side. Eventually.
I don’t think it will be written very well but I am willing to be cookies this is how it will all play out.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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This keeps getting said–Rumple has to prove to Belle that she can trust him—but there is no viable solution ever offered. So what is the solution? What is the way you see A and E writing this?
X number of days without magic?
Y number of peasants left alive at the end of 3 weeks?
Z number of proven resistance to power?
The thing is that with a person trying to overcome his or her addiction, the only way to measure success is one day at a time. As you said, realistically a person must avoid the substance he’s addicted to if he wants to stay on the straight and narrow path. Rumple will forever have an inward struggle not to use magic if he wants to stay clean. So, it’s not really Belle’s place to dangle a carrot in front of the cart by offering her love and trust in exchange for Rumple doing X, Y, Z. In fact, Belle can still love Rumple and choose not to be with him romantically speaking. It might take years of Rumple staying sober from magic before Belle would even consider re-entering into any sort of romance with Rumple. It might take a lifetime, or it might never happen. After what Rumple did to Belle (i.e. betraying her trust), Belle could come to forgive him, but whether she chooses to place her trust in him would be up to her, and she’d have to see the fruits of his good choices manifest over time before she might see reason to trust he’d really changed. And by that I mean, he would move away from SB, away from the magic, and thereby drastically reduce the chances of a relapse.
I am sorry but I really feel like Adam and Eddy have crossed a line from which they cannot logically bring these two back. It’s all well and good to say that you want to see Rumbelle back together by end of 4/end of 5/end of series but how do write it in a way that is not only sound in logic but in morals, ethics, and doesn’t diminish the characters as they have been presented thus far? Belle puts her faith back in Rumple because gee golly wiz, he said he was sorry, and he broke his curse and he hasn’t threatened anyone in 4 weeks!
I didn’t want Rumple and Belle to get married at all until after his dark curse had been broken. I could sort of see the warning signs, the potential for an abusive situation (I mean emotional abuse, rather than physical). I think that the way the writers have portrayed “Rumbelle” is in keeping with the way alcoholics and their spouses have problems. The simple fact is that Belle fell for a man with an addiction. He did say he was a difficult man to love, and while Belle didn’t know for sure that Rumple proposed to her under false pretenses, she did know he was still the dark one. She probably wanted to believe he was being honest with her, because she wanted so desperately to be chosen. Maybe she was blind to trust him at all, since it’s not like TLK has broken his curse yet. He’s still the dark one. He’s still addicted to magic. Likely, he’s going to have a long, uphill battle the rest of his life not to seek out a magical remedy whenever he feels scared or threatened.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
So, it’s not really Belle’s place to dangle a carrot in front of the cart by offering her love and trust in exchange for Rumple doing X, Y, Z. In fact, Belle can still love Rumple and choose not to be with him romantically speaking. It might take years of Rumple staying sober from magic before Belle would even consider re-entering into any sort of romance with Rumple. It might take a lifetime, or it might never happen.
I agree with this, but A and E don’t have a lifetime to show that. Which means that the Rumbelle inevitable getting back together…will take less time than is realistic and healthy.
And by that I mean, he would move away from SB, away from the magic, and thereby drastically reduce the chances of a relapse.
I would agree with this if we didn’t now have evidence of magical creatures existing and being placed in a land without magic willy nilly. What if the sorcerer randomly decides to place Villain #572378237 in the same city as Rumbelle for kicks?
In fact, I didn’t want Rumple and Belle to get married at all until after his dark curse had been broken.
I didn’t either.
Maybe she was blind to trust him at all, since it’s not like TLK has broken his curse yet. He’s still the dark one. He’s still addicted to magic. Likely, he’s going to have a long, uphill battle the rest of his life not to seek out a magical remedy whenever he feels scared or threatened.
Well if Belle were being written as more than a piece of arm candy + Google then she would have questioned all this given that Belle’s leading characteristic in Disney lore is as a bright scholar who is curious and inquisitive.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The writers have said that Rumple is the Big Bad, though. I find it more likely that he would betray the QOD.
Like I said above, he is Rumpelstiltskin, one of our main characters and one of the most popular characters of the show. He will be the Big Bad but he wont stay that way. He’ll come over to the good side. Eventually. I don’t think it will be written very well but I am willing to be cookies this is how it will all play out.
Well, it all depends whether or not Bobby wants to stay till a Season 5, if we get one. There have been rumors going around that Bobby was severely unhappy with his present storyline, and he even prefers Rumple bad. Though killing Rumple will come with MAJOR consequences and backlash because Dearie fans make up at least forty five percent of the fan base like Evil Regals. But if Rumple just had to go down…I don’t want him to go down pleading for his life or anything pitiful because that’s not how he is…we’ve seen him sacrifice himself for the greater good, which if Rumple is heading to death then they should have just left it at that….but if he is going down as a big bad, I hope he goes out with a bang! Blaze of Glory ish!
Though I’m quite positive Adam and Eddy are too terrified to take out one of the leading, and one of their best characters….I can’t even come up with a way for Rumple to come back from this considering @RumplesGirl is right, just because he gives up his magic…I can’t imagine Rumple not trying to find a way to get it back.
Chances of him turning on the Queens of Darkness…I’d say fifty fifty, but that all depends on if they either become too troublesome to handle or if they get in his way.
We’re probably heading toward some major showdown between Rumplestilskin and the Sorcerer….
So, it’s not really Belle’s place to dangle a carrot in front of the cart by offering her love and trust in exchange for Rumple doing X, Y, Z. In fact, Belle can still love Rumple and choose not to be with him romantically speaking. It might take years of Rumple staying sober from magic before Belle would even consider re-entering into any sort of romance with Rumple. It might take a lifetime, or it might never happen.
I agree with this, but A and E don’t have a lifetime to show that. Which means that the Rumbelle inevitable getting back together…will take less time than is realistic and healthy.
Unless Once does one heck of a time skip after this season like Desperate Housewives who skipped five years into the future. Once could probably afford to skip two years into the future….keeps up with Jared Gilmore’s age?
And by that I mean, he would move away from SB, away from the magic, and thereby drastically reduce the chances of a relapse.
I would agree with this if we didn’t now have evidence of magical creatures existing and being placed in a land without magic willy nilly. What if the sorcerer randomly decides to place Villain #572378237 in the same city as Rumbelle for kicks?
I agree that the best thing would be for Rumbelle to ditch Storybrooke, and travel around the world.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Unless Once does one heck of a time skip after this season like Desperate Housewives who skipped five years into the future. Once could probably afford to skip two years into the future….keeps up with Jared Gilmore’s age?
They could, yes. But that really robs your audience of all that emotional development.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I had a theory on how they could age Henry up to Jared Gilmore’s age physically without having to time skip.
A way Belle might start trusting Rumple or at least starting to build bridges with him could be if, whilst Rumple is team Villain, he does something that proves he isn’t 100% “bad”, and that little flicker of goodness is enough to encourage Belle not to give up on Rumple just yet.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixGiven that it’s Once, and I -hate- to admit this, they could easily pull out a Magical Object That Proves Rumple’s Finally Good.
But that won’t happen till the last possible moment.
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Given that it’s Once, and I -hate- to admit this, they could easily pull out a Magical Object That Proves Rumple’s Finally Good.
They could easily have Belle pull out the gauntlet and have it take her to his weakness. If it brings her to herself (???) then she would know he no longer wants power but really loves her and is putting her first.
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Thing with the gauntlet though is it takes you to a person’s weakness which is NORMALLY the thing they love most. However, in Rumple’s case, he’s described Belle as giving him STRENGTH “you made me stronger” and the dagger is literally his weakness because it controls him and makes him enslaved to whoever wields the dagger. Belle is not Rumple’s weakness.
Cora subscribed to “Love is Weakness”, does Belle believe that too since she expected herself to be Rumple’s weakness?
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