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Another life-threatening head injury played for laughs. At least they left him in the recovery position.
And hopefully above the high tide line. Or he would have drowned, left alone like that. 😕
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Loved: Reggie as EQ telling herself in the mirror that she missed herself.
David hitting Snow with the one liner about Dr. Whale.
Jail fight scenes between Snow & EQ.
Henry’s “home alone” scene using marbles to trip up Hook.
Young Emma was so convincing. Only wished they had used this actor and another young male actor to play Emma & Neal back in Season 2.
Granny giving Hook the dirty eye while prepping her cross bow. Gotta love Granny!
Ingrid’s redemption. Beautifully done!
Dislikes: Emma’s over reaction to meeting Ingrid in the Ice Cream Parlor. Over acted and nothing like Emma when she first came to SB.
Having Ingrid die. She really added something that was missing to this show. A new villain that we all could love.
Not seeing much of the supportive characters that we all miss & love.
Don’t like Rumple’s storyline at all. Where the heck are they going with him? So contrary to the character we know & love. I’ll leave that to another thread.
Promo showing another 11 week story arc coming up. Really tired of all the new characters they are introducing. How about we get back to the supporting characters we grew to love in S1 and start building a story line around them?
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
David hitting Snow with the one liner about Dr. Whale.
At the very end of that whole bit in the Sheriff station, when Elsa is leaving, you can hear Snow faintly in the background saying, “He’s a doctor, he actually knows which part is which.” OH SNAP. LOL!
Great episode. Just raced by. When Ingrid was having her Big Feels moment I was going “seriously? We’re already at the climax?!!”
Loved all the snark, all the witty one liners (I feel the writers had a field day with this one) and the gags like Hook being Home Alone-d by Henry.
Still don’t like the Snow Queen as a character. She was just too over the top. Too earnest, too unhinged, too poorly thought out a plan… Much like early Regina, she couldn’t see past her own interpretation of events to what was actually going on. The resolution to her story though, THAT was excellent story telling. Yeah, I get that some people might be uncomfortable with the suicide sacrifice line, but as someone who has had plenty of suicidal ideation, I don’t find it triggering at all when it’s in this hyper fantastic context. (and as an aside, having conversations about mental health and suicide/self harm should not be avoided under the excuse of “not wanting to trigger you” – that’s nonsense.)
Her plan was just bad. There’s other words I could use, and have used on my Twitter, but here the censor police would swoop in and edit my post so we’ll just stick with “bad”. Imma gonna do something that will destroy all the people you actually care about so you only care about me and we have happy sisterly love??? It’s just dumb! It always was.
The only thing that I didn’t like, and even then it’s not a didn’t-like thing and more just a yelling-at-the-tv thing… stop picking on Dopey! It’s not his fault he’s simple! :-/
and as an aside, having conversations about mental health and suicide/self harm should not be avoided under the excuse of “not wanting to trigger you” – that’s nonsense
i didn’t say that at all! Of course it can be discussed…but there is a difference between being discussed and being celebrated. She says “I have to destroy myself” and then goes on to talk about how this is her happy ending while she is bathed in redemptive white light and ends up saving everyone.
And, to the opposite of you, as someone who has also had extensive suicide and self harm problems, I DID find it triggering which was my whole point and why I wasn’t going harp on it (except to point out that I didn’t say what you thought): that some will see it one way and others will see it another. And that I get that it’s supposed to read as “sacrifice” but the dialogue of the scene and the action of what is happening is troubling.
When Rumple did basically the same thing, it was emotionally devastating…the message was “this is not a happy ending” and that his life was worth living, hence them trying to get him back. But Ingrid’s sacrifice is being upheld as something morally right and just and a good thing. I get that it’s hyper fantastical and again, that’s why I’m not going to dwell except to point out that it is a troubling image.
he only thing that I didn’t like, and even then it’s not a didn’t-like thing and more just a yelling-at-the-tv thing… stop picking on Dopey! It’s not his fault he’s simple! :-/
Yeah I agree. A lot of people are liking that moment but I actually thought it was a rather poor and cheap shot at people with mental disabilities.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just liked it as a callback to the 1937 film. I enjoy those campy callbacks a lot (I guess that’s why I’ve liked having the Frozen cast on).
And I don’t see it as a hit on people with disabilities, because they were all being mean to each other. We know that the dwarfs love and accept Dopey as he is when they’re themselves.
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And, to the opposite of you, as someone who has also had extensive suicide and self harm problems, I DID find it triggering which was my whole point and why I wasn’t going harp on it (except to point out that I didn’t say what you thought): that some will see it one way and others will see it another. And that I get that it’s supposed to read as “sacrifice” but the dialogue of the scene and the action of what is happening is troubling.
When Rumple did basically the same thing, it was emotionally devastating…the message was “this is not a happy ending” and that his life was worth living, hence them trying to get him back. But Ingrid’s sacrifice is being upheld as something morally right and just and a good thing. I get that it’s hyper fantastical and again, that’s why I’m not going to dwell except to point out that it is a troubling image.
I have been lucky enough to have not experienced anything closely connected to this in my life. One of my fave actors from the 90s (Jonathan Brandis) took his own life in ’03. I didn’t know him, but given how much of his life had been documented in the teen mags back in the day, I felt like I “knew” him. His mum was often featured in those mags, so when he died I looked up the address to be able to send a condolence message that would get to his parents, (and they sent a thank you card to let people know they’d got their letters, which made it a more personal exchange, even if I was really a world removed). I have a friend on Twitter whose brother took his own life, and I’ve seen how that still affects her years later as she marks the date of his passing and celebrates the life of his daughter. So I can’t speak with first hand knowledge of what it’s like to be triggered by something like this, but it IS still in my mind to a certain extent.
I think there are a couple of major differences between what happened with Ingrid vs Rumple.
With Rumple we felt the weight of the action and the loss. We’d seen his LONG journey to that point, we knew that in giving his life it meant he wasn’t getting what he’d craved for centuries (a life with his son), so there was a sense of futility about it, and in the moments after we saw people truly effected by his death, we saw Belle actually crumble to the ground.
We didn’t get that with Ingrid. Elsa and Anna didn’t WANT her to die, but it didn’t seem like they’d be particularly affected by her death in a lasting, negative way. And she seemed almost elated to be giving up her life. There just wasn’t a whole lot of tragedy attached to it, in fact quite the opposite, and that’s where the potential problem lies, because a person giving up their life really isn’t a celebratory thing.
It’s not the first seriously problematic theme they’ve skimmed over…if that was truly the only way to stop the spell before more people were hurt, I guess it works, but it’s not exactly the most hopeful ending.
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Just saw the episode and I enjoyed it though some minor issues.
Favourite:
The opening scene with Ingrid and the fake psychic- “How will you express you gratitude?” “Thank you” Loved the line delivery from Elizabeth Mitchell.
Ingrid- I actually felt sorry for her this episode and didn’t want her to die though her death wasn’t unexpected since she was the half season villain and they’ve made a habit of killing off each half season’s villains. I do agree with RG that her death was a bit too much on the suicidal side of sacrifice. It’s a fine line to walk but preceding said death with “this is my happy ending” doesn’t help matters and the image of the happy 3 young sisters after said death kind of emphasised that it was a suicide and that now Ingrid was at peace. It was a powerful scene though.
The snark between Snow and Charming- I liked how they weren’t all lovey dovey and were actually having proper arguments like a normal couple. I also liked when Kristoff threw a wad of paper at Charming.
Regina, Snow and Charming laughing off the curse- It seems Regina has outgrown her evil Queen phase especially when she wasn’t happy with her outfit choice and actually changed it back to her Storybrooke clothes. It shows how much Regina has actually matured.
Henry telling Hook that he never liked him and he likes him even less now that Hook’s with Emma- It is such a natural reaction and I hope the writers explore that in 3B. Henry has just recently lost his father (Neal) and he just recently lost a guy who’d probably been the closest thing Henry had known to a father figure in his altered memory life (Walsh- even if he was secretly a flying monkey but Henry didn’t know that) and was close to actually being a part of Henry’s family. Of course Henry would feel a little resentful towards Hook if he thought he could suddenly jump in and fill Neal’s and Walsh’s shoes in Henry and Emma’s lives.
No Robin Hood and no Operation Mongoose plot- Regina can be such a great enjoyable character when she’s not being tied down by forced plots and constantly going “the book made me a villain” or fawning over Robin.
Mixed:
Rumple wanting to take over the world- Since when did Rumple and Hook turn into Pinky and the Brain?
Least favourite:
Not enough Belle or RumBelle- Considering we all know it’s going to go to hell for RumBelle in either the next episode or the next half of the season, they’ve not really had chance to spend much happy times together.
Rumple leaving Hook alone with a sleeping Belle and the heart bag- When Rumple left the shop at the end of the episode, he wasn’t carrying the heart bag and Belle was sleeping. Considering Hook has threatened Belle in the past and even as recently as this season, and has nothing to lose since Rumple told him he was going to kill him, it was a really dumb move for Rumple to leave him unattended like that.
Hook not taking on board what Henry was saying- Yes Henry was under the shattered sight curse whereas Hook wasn’t, but what Henry was saying was just his darkest thoughts and doubts brought to the surface. He still feels that way without the shattered sight curse even if he might not express those views. For Hook to focus on “Emma said we were together?” rather than Henry’s feelings was quite insensitive and dismissive of Hook. Not being under the curse, Hook had an opportunity to actually talk to Henry and try and bond with him. Hook wasted that opportunity because he was too preoccupied on Emma and how she said they were “together”.
All magic comes with a price!
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