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I have to say Ginny and Josh stole the entire episode in the final frame with the whole hand holding and then watching the glass turn their love into hatred. It was a powerful moment.
If Rumple and Regina could seal off Belle and Henry from getting hurt couldn’t they have done the same to everyone else? I mean just shut off everyone in their homes.
Henry isn’t immune to the curse right? Also, why didn’t they seal all the children to keep them safe from their parents and everyone else?
[adrotate group="5"]I pretty much loved everything about this episode except one thing…ummm….isn’t Blackbeard supposed to be dead? And…was Arendelle present timeline as the present timeline? Oh and Blue…favorite part seeing Shady get sucked into that hat!
BLACK BEARD himself explained that he was saved by a mermaid …. that was why he put Anna and Kristoff into the trunk.
I want to see Anna, Elsa and Kristoff take back the kingdom…. I wonder if the sequel in Frozen show that and they are using ONCE to set up the story???
I think the reason ARENDALE thawed … was that DAIRY QUEEN only has the power to maintain one spell at a time. She had to release Arendale in order to have enough strength / magic to create this spell in STORYBROOKE.
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I HATED the scene between Hook and Rumple. “You’re gonna be dead tomorrow.” Come on, really? Just a casual convo sitting on a bench. Their acting is better than that. I didn’t find it believable.
Graham did things when he did not have a heart to defy REGINA. WE know Cora could actively control people via their heart but when she was NOT actively controlling them they had some latitude.
SO WHY DOES NOT HOOK DEFY RUMPLE… do a poor job of what ever task he is given… ie vacuum up the fairy … he could have looked around … over looked BLUE and let her escape and still been following orders.
HE KNOWS RUMPLE plans to kill him so what would it matter if he does a poor job … RESISTANCE would not change his fate.
NOBODY IS USING THEIR BRAINS.
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.It was a good episode, better than I thought it would be.
Good:
The curse was beautiful. And the end got me teary.
The end of the Arendelle plot made sense, sort of. The magical neckless of wishing was weird but I couldn’t think of a way for Anna and Kristoff to be the same age as Elsa until this episode and it’s a reasonable explaination.
Everyone acted how I would expect people would act in a situation like that. I was sure they would be like “let’s all be together in the same room and hold hands because of our love” but everyone locked themselves up which is the smart thing to do.
Hans. I love this guy. And his line about rolling in gold…
Bad:
Doesn’t Will have an appartment? What is he doing in the woods?
“If it’s everyone else or me me wins every time” Really Rumple? Really…?
Why didn’t they lock up Hook? We know that he is controlled by Rumple but they don’t. And if he’s going to be his worse self he would probably try to kill everyone if Rumple didn’t controll him . Also they didn’t lock up Kristoff.
Why are you all morons standing there looking at the glasses with your eyes open?!? At least try to cover them or something.
You know what I can't continue with the dead people brought back to life list I'm out of space in the signature and now we have an underworld arc this is to much I quit why do you bring so many people back to life OUAT WHHHYYYY
I loved this episode, this should’ve been the 2 hour one.
Favourite
Snow- I liked Snow this episode especially her line “It’s Elsa’s blind faith that is screwing us” and the fact that she agreed with Regina that sometimes someone has to lose. Also she actually gave Neal to Emma.
Regina- I liked Regina this episode especially when she called the Charmings out and told them to lead. Her scenes with Snow were full of snark, just the way I like them.
Anna- I liked Anna this episode especially when she was trying to guess Blackbeard’s weight and she even asked him how much he weighed. I think the writers had Anna right this episode. Previously, she’d been too cartoony and it didn’t fit the show so she was irritating. However, this episode the level was right and she wasn’t too cartoony but was still respectful to the animated character.
Kristoff- Kristoff is adorable and I liked how he was trying to lift Anna’s spirits when she was resigning herself to die.
Belle- Belle got stuff to do this episode even if it was just helping the fairies. Question: Why didn’t they come up with the magical solution before the shattered sight spell was cast? They knew it was a possibility. PPPCFTH- Prior Planning Prevents Curses From Taking Hold.
Rumple- I like how clever he’s being with his plan, I like how he wouldn’t leave Belle or Henry behind and made a deal for their passage out of Storybrooke. You just know it’s going to blow up in his face though. He wants everything, and as he told Regina in season 2, you can’t have everything. I am both excited and nervous for the next two episodes because Belle has got to find out soon and it is going to be so heart breaking when she does. I liked how they kept the continuity of Rumple’s hate for the fairies and how he called them “pious fleas”. Hook only sucked up the nuns. What about other nun fairies such as Tinkerbell and Nova?
Elsa choosing Anna over saving the town- So many things at play here. If Elsa didn’t do what she did by taking the necklace, then Anna and Kristoff would be dead so she made the right call. Secondly, Elsa actually gave the Charmings a taste of their own medicine. Elsa saved HER Family, everyone else be damned. How many times have the Charmings saved THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS, everyone else be damned? Season 2 finale, 3B, etc.
The frozen flashbacks are finally over- At last.
Mixed
The first OQ scene in the forest- Surprisingly, I kind of liked the forest scene, you could see how Regina and Robin’s relationship could be and could almost ship it if….and it’s a big if…..if it wasn’t for the Marian factor. It is not Marian’s fault at all, it’s the writers fault. Why they chose to have Regina murder Marian then pair her up with the spouse of her victim, god only knows. If they’d just left Regina clear of Marian’s death, whilst the whole adultery aspect of OQ would still be wrong, it wouldn’t be as morally wrong as it currently is.
Least Favourite
The second OQ scene at Regina’s office- Robin is annoying, just by the fact that he will not leave Regina alone. Robin has come out pretty badly in 4A, and again it all comes down to the Marian factor. What man in his right mind would date the woman that murdered his wife and not find that even a little bit off-putting?
Operation Mongoose being brought up- The whole plot is flawed. The idea that the book made Regina a villain instead of her own actions and choices is wrong. Regina has always blamed others even when she’s at fault but right now she seems to be in denial that she has any culpability at all. The “poor me” routine never suited Regina and the sooner she gets out of that mind set, the better.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMixed The first OQ scene in the forest- Surprisingly, I kind of liked the forest scene, you could see how Regina and Robin’s relationship could be and could almost ship it if….and it’s a big if…..if it wasn’t for the Marian factor. It is not Marian’s fault at all, it’s the writers fault. Why they chose to have Regina murder Marian then pair her up with the spouse of her victim, god only knows. If they’d just left Regina clear of Marian’s death, whilst the whole adultery aspect of OQ would still be wrong, it wouldn’t be as morally wrong as it currently is.
Least Favourite The second OQ scene at Regina’s office- Robin is annoying, just by the fact that he will not leave Regina alone. Robin has come out pretty badly in 4A, and again it all comes down to the Marian factor. What man in his right mind would date the woman that murdered his wife and not find that even a little bit off-putting?
Operation Mongoose being brought up- The whole plot is flawed. The idea that the book made Regina a villain instead of her own actions and choices is wrong. Regina has always blamed others even when she’s at fault but right now she seems to be in denial that she has any culpability at all. The “poor me” routine never suited Regina and the sooner she gets out of that mind set, the better.
I. Indeed it is the writer’s fault, but OutlawQueen was so perfect, they probably didn’t know no other way how to tear them apart.
II. How is he annoying just for checking up on the woman that he loves? A curse that’s heading to turn everyone against each other…and he’s just supposed to not make sure Regina isn’t somewhere having a nervous breakdown? I guess that makes Hook annoying for checking on Emma at the Sherriff Station too…or Rumple annoying for sealing Belle off in his shop.
And to answer the question, the right minded man would understand that his wife died over 30 years ago, and that the woman who murdered her was a completely different woman than the one before….Robin let go of the past, and is focusing on who Regina is now instead of who she once was…sorta like how Belle and Emma are doing for Rumple and Hook.
III. Well, technically Regina does hold some right to blame others for how her life turned out, but we’re not going to delve off into that. And if we think about it from her perspective….her life has been screwed over in more times than one, and Regina was grasping at straws for a reason why her happy endings never work out, and it lead her to the book, which as we see does play a heavy part in influencing the outcome of their lives I guess.
But I think when Regina does find the Sorcerer, she’s going to learn that it was her who altered the course of her life because as the picture showed…her and Robin did meet back at the Tavern, and I think the fact Robin’s life being in danger because King Leopold was hunting them led Regina to make a deal with the Sorcerer to undo it all to keep Robin alive. And she did so knowingly that she’d end up becoming a villain. Meaning Regina would have made the ultimate sacrifice, saving Robin’s life but dooming her own. I think that’s what she’ll learn upon meeting the Sorcerer, but as we’ve been shown, her second chance came right back around to her, and she finally took it!
Either that happened or the picture below happened:
#WhatDidRumpleDo?
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I. Indeed it is the writer’s fault, but OutlawQueen was so perfect, they probably didn’t know no other way how to tear them apart.
I wonder if the plan was for that storyline to be bigger, before Frozen took over the writers’ room.
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II. How is he annoying just for checking up on the woman that he loves? A curse that’s heading to turn everyone against each other…and he’s just supposed to not make sure Regina isn’t somewhere having a nervous breakdown? I guess that makes Hook annoying for checking on Emma at the Sherriff Station too…or Rumple annoying for sealing Belle off in his shop.
Rumple and Hook both knew they had to steer clear of their loved ones once the spell was cast but both had different motives for being there. Rumple had to get Belle out of the diner and into the shop, once she was there he left her. Hook wanted to see Emma one last time before the spell was cast because he knew Rumple was going to kill him. After a quick kiss and goodbye he left her. Robin’s grand plan was to stay WITH Regina once the spell was cast. Robin is not the brightest bulb in the box.
And to answer the question, the right minded man would understand that his wife died over 30 years ago, and that the woman who murdered her was a completely different woman than the one before….Robin let go of the past, and is focusing on who Regina is now instead of who she once was…sorta like how Belle and Emma are doing for Rumple and Hook.
Regina is still the same woman that murdered Marian, she just has her homicidal tendencies under control now. I’m not saying that Regina’s past has to be held against her for all of eternity. I’m not saying that Robin could never ever forgive Regina for murdering Marian. The point is Robin found out his current squeeze murdered his wife whom he even referred to as “beloved” and he doesn’t even bat an eyelid. That is completely unrealistic even within the realms of the show. At least show him trying to reconcile that fact before he decides to pursue his relationship. At the moment 4A has made Robin come off as very unfeeling towards Marian.
But I think when Regina does find the Sorcerer, she’s going to learn that it was her who altered the course of her life because as the picture showed…her and Robin did meet back at the Tavern, and I think the fact Robin’s life being in danger because King Leopold was hunting them led Regina to make a deal with the Sorcerer to undo it all to keep Robin alive. And she did so knowingly that she’d end up becoming a villain. Meaning Regina would have made the ultimate sacrifice, saving Robin’s life but dooming her own. I think that’s what she’ll learn upon meeting the Sorcerer, but as we’ve been shown, her second chance came right back around to her, and she finally took it!
I think Regina would’ve still ended up casting the dark curse even if she had met Robin that night. Something would’ve happened to course correct. Perhaps that is why Blue Fairy took Tinkerbell’s wings? Tink interfered with fate/destiny and that is a very serious thing for a fairy to do?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think Regina would’ve still ended up casting the dark curse even if she had met Robin that night. Something would’ve happened to course correct. Perhaps that is why Blue Fairy took Tinkerbell’s wings? Tink interfered with fate/destiny and that is a very serious thing for a fairy to do?
Technically she wouldn’t have….her fate was to be a hero and be happy. It was Zelena’s fate to cast the curse as she was the one who was originally prophesied by Rumple to be Cora’s first born, and I guess when you look at it…it was Robin and Regina’s child who was probably would have been the savior, but we all know Cora screwed all of that up when she gave Zelena away!
But yeah…had Regina met Robin Hood, like I said above, her and Robin would have been on the run from King Leopold, which I still think would have made her make a deal with the Sorcerer in order to save Robin’s life to undo their meeting, and just succumb to her villainous fate. Sacrificing her happy ending for her soul mate is what I think Regina did now, something I think she’ll learn at the end of Operation Mongoose.
Blue took Tink’s wings because she didn’t want any fairy helping Cora’s daughter/Rumple’s apprentice…let Blue tell it, there was no hope for Regina! God I hope that Shady Blue ***** stays stuck in that hat! She could’ve at least tried!!! And please don’t get me started on anyone interfering with fate and destiny, because Emma Swan did that, and look at the chaos it’s wrought upon Storybrooke.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Okay…I said I would never mention them again, but I need to know. Could someone tell me whether Robin found out what Regina did? Does he know that Regina killed Marian?
Favorite:
– The goodbyes were heartbreaking.
– The ending scene was really nicely done. The shards falling from the sky, the musical score, all of it. I really liked it. This spell seemed to hold more weight than even the Dark Curse did, mostly because no one really had any hope left. Everyone just stood there, or locked themselves away. They all said that they had hope, but seemed resigned that they’d murder each other. Especially when Snow and Charming’s view of each other shattered and they pulled away. Very nice, indeed.
– Belle’s still kicking. Maybe she’ll be more important soon.
Mixed Feels:
– “Coming from you, that’s just terrifying.” Yes, Regina, you are absolutely right. Snow…? Are you even there anymore? I know that change is good, and seeing Snow bash blind faith says something about how she’s developed through the adventures they’ve had. Still, I’m not sure how to feel, and I’m not sure whether development in this direction was warranted for her.
– Literal wishing star? They are pulling all the Disney tropes this season. They already used that concept with Blue, but why not? Let’s make another wishing star. Also, literal, physical wishing star? What the heck? When was that even a thing?
-Rumpel is at least not leaving Henry behind.
Disliked:
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– I can’t take the Arendelle suspense seriously. I know they’re quirky, but almost everything is a joke. How can I fear for them, or wonder about their fate in anyway when no threat is taken seriously?
– No. They have not been alive in a frozen state for THIRTY YEARS. No. Plot Hole.
– So…Why would Ingrid ever unfreeze them? No, really…
– Rumpel already chose to do the right thing over power. His redemption was getting to a head. Rumpel trying to have everything again is already out of character for him. They can’t just say that he’s plain evil without a reason. He’s doing things that I’m not entirely sure he would have even done in the Enchanted Forest. I likes me a good villain, but I can’t stand him being out of character anymore.
The worst part is that the perfect reason is just floating in the atmosphere, and they dance around it:
“Tried to be good once and I… ended up in Dark One hell, woke up from Dark One hell to my dying son, was insane and tortured by a crazy (witch) for a while, son died because of her, no one gave a (truck) and wanted her around anyway, got humiliated by hypocritical frenemy for wanting revenge. Finally, my wife offers no comfort, only a speech about how I should put aside the trauma and grief to let torturing-son-murderer one day be my neighbor. Good’s overrated. I’m done with it.” BOOM.
It may seem like a lot, but a couple words or even expressions could tell the audience that this is the reason for his change. Uuuugh. I can’t even like him anymore. He’s always been my favorite character because he was a villain who wished he could change, but just believed that he couldn’t. Now they are taking even that away. He’s just a straight villain who doesn’t want to be better (and worse) for no apparent reason.
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