May 10, 2016 at 8:02 pm #323397MatthewPaulModerator
For once, the storybook pages gave us some vital background information. This all seems like what COULD have been a Hades and Zeus flashback for this episode, but they didn’t have room for it:
Here’s a transcription, though unfortunately it’s incomplete, as we didn’t get a clear enough view of the pages to read everything:
welling in his eyes. Only these were not tears of sad-
ness. They smoldered with rage.
“You’re wrong about me, Father. I will make a great
Hades wiped the tears away as he said this, though his
voice was a vacuum of emotion. With cold determina-
tion, he approached a towering pedestal on the far side of
the bed chamber where an ornate filigreed box was left
unattended. Hades face betrayed a slight smile. He
knew this box held the prize he sought, and no one
would stop him from taking it now. He opened the box
and inside was an ancient crystal shaped like a crude
“The Olympian Crystal”, he said reverently, with more
love than he had ever shown for leathery old Kronos.
“So…” a voice boomed from across the bed chamber.
Hades turned to see Zeus in the room, looking at him in
Judgment while touching the lifeless frame of their father
For one last time. “…your heart really is sickened.”
Zeus stepped forward to his brother, in all his chiseled
might. And every inch of his muscle nauseated Hades,
[obscured] maintained an even keel. For now.
“[obscured] not take a moment to mourn our father?
Who loved you?”
Zeus felt genuine compassion for his brother. And the
olive branch he offered bore no hidden thorns, only the
promise of reconciliation. That Zeus was capable of such
forgiveness only stoked the flames within Hades further.
“No, Zeus”, Hades spat. “He only loved you.”
Hades took the crystal into his hands. It was his now,
and no one would take it from him. Not even the
mighty Zeus. The powerful magic within it glowed for a moment.
“That power is not yours to wield,” Zeus warned.
“The Olympian Crystal is dangerous. It belongs to the
“I would have been king,” Hades said, wielding the
crystal like a scepter. “And once I use this to kill you,
[illegible] any kingdom I desire.
He approached his brother, and for a moment, Zeus
[illegible] that the crystal was powerful enough
[illegible] him. But Zeus bravely (?), perhaps
[illegible] Hades raised the crystal,
[illegible] Zeus’ chest, looking his
[illegible] Zeus’ heart, when…
In short, it looks like Hades was jealous that their father, Kronos, chose him to be king. Therefore, he kills Kronos, and steals the Olympian Crystal. Then Zeus intervenes, and that’s where the whole stopping Hades’ heart thing comes in. As RG would know, this is a complete deviation from the original mythology. While that is the case, I still would have taken a flashback of this, just to give Hades his much needed background information.May 10, 2016 at 9:50 pm #323404
Sooo…..daddy issues. And so much #badmythology
While that is the case, I still would have taken a flashback of this, just to give Hades his much needed background information.
same"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 11, 2016 at 9:48 am #323427
Why on Earth did we not see this? Like why? Why did we not get this flashback? Was this something they changed midway too?
And yes bad mythology. But like OUAT always changes the stories around. That’s what made them unique and interesting to begin with. So it shouldn’t be a negative whenever they deviate from original mythology. It should be welcomed and expected. Who wants to see them rehash what we already know? They are at their best when they twist original stories and make them their own. I know Greek mythology is close to your heart RG, but this is what OUAT does.May 11, 2016 at 10:14 am #323428
I know Greek mythology is close to your heart RG, but this is what OUAT does.
Sure but it’s the same rehash as other stories: shock! Daddy issues! Sibling issues! They’re not doing something brand new here, they’re just pulling from a few other villains and changing the names. It’s not “unique and interesting.” And I’m not saying changes in mythos are bad–it’s certainly worked for them in the past. But this isn’t anything remotely new.
(and I did say that I would have preferred the above version to not having a flashback at all….so it’s like I’m being intransigent about mythology)
And not for nothing, but the Greek story is actually loads more exciting than what is written on that page. When compared to this show it actually IS something interesting. Sometimes, you don’t have to tell me a new story; you just have to tell me the old one well."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 11, 2016 at 10:20 am #323429Sci-Fi GirlParticipant
Reads a little more like a rip-off of Loki and Thor in the Thor movie, to me. At least the setup.
Keeper of Anna’s Awkward Babbling and Kristoff’s Fur-trimmed Tunic!May 11, 2016 at 10:37 am #323433May 11, 2016 at 10:38 am #323434
Some Greek mythology is also extremely insane and unrealistic though. So certain stories, although more interesting, might have to be changed in order to fit better in the OUAT world.May 11, 2016 at 10:46 am #323436
Some Greek mythology is also extremely insane and unrealistic though. So certain stories, although more interesting, might have to be changed in order to fit better in the OUAT world.
Absolutely. Never denied the crazy-town that is Greek myth. Anyone listening to the podcast live knows that it’s hard for Jeremy and I not to laugh when I’m trying to explain a thing. I never expected them to have Cronus eating his kids, for instance. But eating is also a metaphor and as writers I expect them to play with that idea.
But they way they changed it here, in this case, isn’t exactly…..fresh. It’s just the same ol’ same old.
ALL THIS ASIDE: any flipping flashback would have been better."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 11, 2016 at 10:50 am #323438
Yes, literally anything. Perhaps they could have twisted the whole “eating” thing in a different way. I agree, it’s not like this story was very original at all. Just any flashback would have given us a better idea of what Zeus was thinking when he pardoned Hook.May 11, 2016 at 3:51 pm #323457PriceofMagicParticipant
Reads a little more like a rip-off of Loki and Thor in the Thor movie, to me. At least the setup. SFG
I also thought the same thing.
I thought the same thing too. Plus wasn’t OUAT Hades supposedly the younger brother? All they needed to throw in was that Hades was secretly adopted then they’d have their own version of the Thor movie.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of Felix
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