March 13, 2017 at 4:57 am #334199onceaholicParticipant
I think there will be some (short) angst over the appropriateness of Hook becoming part of the Charming clan.
The EQ started all of this (with the coin, hence the sudden appearance of the ghost) to tear the family apart, and I think it will work briefly. It might even put a wedge between Charming and Emma for a short while.
However, I do agree that this situation will not be dealt with properly, that his past actions will be washed away with pretty words (”we all deserve second chances” etc etc), and that Hook and Emma will marry at the end of the season anyway.[adrotate group="5"]
Keeper of Regina's braveryMarch 13, 2017 at 7:17 am #334200TheWatcherParticipant
I don’t understand why does it matter that he was David’s father? If it was just random nobody, would it be ok? Would he feel bad about it?
because it’s extra drama. He killed the father of the father of the woman he wants to marry. Not just some random guy tied to a cart. If it was some random nobody oh yeah that’s bad but it doesn’t mean anything in present day. This is just one big twist added to the complicated family tree of OUAT.
It (should) create a rift between the characters I would assume. My issue with this, beyond the fact that I think it’s a bad writing choice, is that this is something I think should take an entire season to resolve between charming and hook. Not a few episodes. I don’t see how finding out someone murdered your father and that you have been living with a false view of him for your whole life is something that you just easily slide to the side.
Seriously though the way these people just so happened to all be intertwined is so unrealistic. The enchanted forest must be a really tiny realm.
I guess you could say….it’s a small world afterall. ?
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He had know idea the entire episode until that moment and I’m sure it’s gonna kill him even more now.
But is it going to bother him that 1) he killed an innocent man or 2) is it going to bother him that this information could cost him Emma? Those are subtly different."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 13, 2017 at 8:59 pm #334223nevermoreParticipant
I think one of the biggest problems with this development is that this type of plot twist should belong in an entirely different genre of storytelling. This is sort of classic Greek tragedy, almost like a meditation on fate. But it requires an actual tragic (or at least bad) ending, which we all know won’t happen.
In the absence of any real risk — because I’m pretty sure CS is a foregone conclusion — there will be no long term consequences, and therefore the whole thing feels like cheap pointless melodrama that will be unsatisfactorily resolved, and won’t lead to any significant character growth.
In the meantime, depending on how much they want to wring out of this situation, I am actually going to bet one cookie on a temporary break-up — undertaken by Hook because he “doesn’t deserve Emma.” The rest of the drama will be about Emma trying to assuage Hook’s guilty conscience induced manpain. Which has been their MO since the get go, and since the audience seems to love it, why mess with a good thing?March 13, 2017 at 9:03 pm #334225nevermoreParticipant
Those are subtly different.
One of those things is not at all like the other one, @RG — unless you’re subtly ironic. 😉March 13, 2017 at 9:48 pm #334228RumplesGirlKeymaster
In the meantime, depending on how much they want to wring out of this situation, I am actually going to bet one cookie on a temporary break-up — undertaken by Hook because he “doesn’t deserve Emma.” The rest of the drama will be about Emma trying to assuage Hook’s guilty conscience induced manpain
If they go this route, CS will reconcile in episode 15 during their “epic adventure” with Jaladdin
Those are subtly different.
One of those things is not at all like the other one, @RG — unless you’re subtly ironic. ?
Or possibly subtly sarcastic. 🙂"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 14, 2017 at 6:08 am #334234AmdillaeParticipant
Well it seems that killing the parents of family is a right of passage on this show.
Regina kills Leopold and Snow kills Cora, with the repercussion being overall minimal in their now wonderful relationship. Both of these were done with fairly malicious intent and with a complete understanding of the personal ramifications of the murders. By comparison Hook stabbing a witness to his murders and theft to protect himself while still in his villain persona is practically nothing.
However the way things are evolving this will become a bigger sticking point and problem than any of the other past deaths for no other reason than drama.
“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap and much more difficult to find.” - Terry PratchettMarch 15, 2017 at 10:21 am #334297thedarkonedearieParticipant
Man, not a ot of people liked this it seems. Thrown me in the camp of not liking the story if it was just King George who did it. And yes, this stirs up drama. It’s a show that has drama. And let’s not just condemn the writers before they even do anything yet. I fully expect their to be repercussions and while I doe expect everyone to forgive him eventually, especially because they already know he’s killed people in the past and he obviously didn’t know who he was killing before, he’s still going to get a ton of backlash and this is going to seriously affect his relationship with Emma, Charming, and probably everybody. It’s probably why we may not get a CS wedding until the end of the season. If none of this plays out and they all just forgive him, then fine, condemn the writers. But for now, I thought it was a fun twist and it’s going to really test the Charming clan, especially Emma, about whether or not they can really forgive someone for what they used to be. This is a huge murder. It feels like the ultimate final test for everyone to fully accept Hook and his past misdeeds and for Hook to fully be redeemed. One final hurdle. And it’s a big one.March 15, 2017 at 10:23 am #334298thedarkonedearieParticipant
And at some point, you have to start feeling bad for Hook. Just another case of his past wrecking his present and future happiness. Like of course some random guy in the woods he killed was Charming’s dad. Poor Hook. He’s come so far. Finally got Charming’s blessing. And now, when he seems out of the woods, this happens. And he has to tell people. It’s going to be his final step. But man I feel bad for him. The guy is trying to be good, and has actually changed, but similarly to Regina at times, he just cannot escape the past.March 15, 2017 at 11:24 am #334302Bar FarerParticipant
Why should I feel bad for Hook, who murdered someone in cold blood (He didn’t even feel anything while he did that. Do you know what kind of people are like that? Psychpaths)? Hook has to deal with consequences, boo hoo.
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