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I would like this twist if it led to the natural conclusion of finding out your boyfriend murdered your grandfather which would be breaking up, but it won’t. Instead it is going to lead to a wedding. I have thought Hook killed Charming’s father, but i don’t think this was as interesting as it could have been. It was just done randomly at the end and it was about Hook’s feelings more then about Charming’s. This entire episode felt more about Hook’s feelings then Charming’s because what was going on with Charming was all filler.
[adrotate group="5"]Why should I feel bad for Hook, who murdered someone in cold blood (He didn’t even feel anything while he did that. Do you know what kind of people are like that? Psychpaths)? Hook has to deal with consequences, boo hoo.
If you don’t feel a little bad for Hook, then you will never forgive him for the man he used to be. And if you feel that way, then you must believe people cannot change or at the very least, should never even try to become a better person bc no one should forgive them. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have to deal with those consequences. I’m simply saying he accomplished a lot by getting Charming’s approval and convincing everyone that he is in fact a changed man. And it’s a shame that he came this far only to have to deal with things he’s done in the past again. I would feel the same way if Regina ended up being the one who killed Charming’s dad.
It was just done randomly at the end and it was about Hook’s feelings more then about Charming’s. This entire episode felt more about Hook’s feelings then Charming’s because what was going on with Charming was all filler.
Yeah I’ll just say I completely disagree. Charming had some of his best “feels” moments in this episode than he has had in years it seems.
Charming had feelings, but the entire episode was pretty much set up to reveal that Hook killed Charming’s father. I don’t think anything else that happened is going to come back into the story again except for that. They even sort of implied Charming’s father was resolved because he disappeared.
Why should I feel bad for Hook, who murdered someone in cold blood (He didn’t even feel anything while he did that. Do you know what kind of people are like that? Psychpaths)? Hook has to deal with consequences, boo hoo.
If you don’t feel a little bad for Hook, then you will never forgive him for the man he used to be. And if you feel that way, then you must believe people cannot change or at the very least, should never even try to become a better person bc no one should forgive them. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have to deal with those consequences. I’m simply saying he accomplished a lot by getting Charming’s approval and convincing everyone that he is in fact a changed man. And it’s a shame that he came this far only to have to deal with things he’s done in the past again. I would feel the same way if Regina ended up being the one who killed Charming’s dad.
There is a limit. Hook never atoned for anything so his whole “redemption” is a joke in my opinion (as well as Regina’s and Zelena’s for all those who are ready to jump and call me a bitter shipper or whatever). I, personally, would find it hard to forgive someone who deliberately killed one of my family members even after they supposedly “changed”.
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I mean sure going forward, Hook is now involved. But it was Charming’s father. This directly affects Charming now. And bc it affects him, it has a ripple effect. It now effects Emma and the rest of the Charming family. What about the fact that his father got himself sober and became a good man? That’s important for Charming going forward. It was closure for him. What about the missing pages from the storybook that Pinocchio returned? What about Regina realizing Robin is not the same and that she needs to accept that and move on? This felt like a legit episode for Charming and just bc it was revealed that Hook ultimately was the one to finish Robert off instead of King George, that didn’t take away the importance of this episode toward Charming. To say this was just all about Hook seems unfair to everything that happened in the episode, specifically for David.
There is a limit. Hook never atoned for anything so his whole “redemption” is a joke in my opinion (as well as Regina’s and Zelena’s for all those who are ready to jump and call me a bitter shipper or whatever). I, personally, would find it hard to forgive someone who deliberately killed one of my family members even after they supposedly “changed”.
Well at least you are consistent. But I mean, with this logic, no one could ever get redeemed bc you would never forgive them. So why even try to change? And you can’t say these characters haven’t tried to change. They have, and for the most part, they have all succeeded. Zelena isn’t really wicked anymore. She has found love in her daughter Robyn. Regina isn’t evil anymore. She has found love within her family and Henry. Hook isn’t a bad pirate anymore. He has found love with Emma. I think all three, especially Regina, have atoned. Regina spent whole two seasons with everyone hating her and not trusting her. She has lost Robin. Hook still has his gf’s dad calling him a dirty pirate even though he’s been a good person for the last couple seasons. Idk. I just feel bad for Hook bc most have accepted that he has changed and accepted he was a bad pirate that killed people in the past. And now, nothing has changed. He was still a bad pirate, but now we find out one random guy in the woods happened to be Charming’s dad bc of course it was, and now everyone isn’t going to trust him again. It’s just too bad. It’s not like he did something in the present that was awful. Then that would be regressing and I wouldn’t feel bad at all. This is different.
If you don’t feel a little bad for Hook, then you will never forgive him for the man he used to be. And if you feel that way, then you must believe people cannot change or at the very least, should never even try to become a better person bc no one should forgive them.
There is a difference between feeling bad for Hook, and even thinking that he should be forgiven, and forgiveness being recognizable mainly through him “getting the girl” (or not) — as the show sets it up. I actually like the twist in the abstract, and even how it was done — that Hook was so casual about this in the past (pure pragmatics) and presumably feels terrible in the present. Again, in the abstract — if OUAT weren’t OUAT but a Greek tragedy — I’d easily feel sympathetic towards Hook precisely fore the reasons you outline (or look at his past/karma catching up with him and screwing up any chance he has at happiness, what rotten luck — does he deserve this?) At least, I’d feel compelled to root for him.
But this is not a Greek tragedy, it’s a fantasy melodrama. So this episode, by putting the engagement ring and murder into a single narrative frame, presents the consequences for Hook’s past actions catching up with him as first and foremost a potential impediment to his prospective marriage, which we all know will happen regardless. For me, that’s the main issue. Hook as a character is overdetermined by his ability to “get the girl” — everything else seems to fall by the wayside, including the girl’s other familial relations. This particular focus does Hook’s character no favors.
Zelena isn’t really wicked anymore. She has found love in her daughter Robyn. Regina isn’t evil anymore. She has found love within her family and Henry. Hook isn’t a bad pirate anymore. He has found love with Emma.
Just bc they found love doesn´t mean they should not pay for their crimes and before im called bitter shiper, i say, Regina and Hook, i may even close my eyes and say they feel sorry for the things they do, or at least, the show paint them both as regreting some of the things they did, HOWEVER, no Zelena doesnt feel sorry for the things she done and even gload them, in fact if there were social services in SB, they should totally take the baby from her and justice if there was any should sent her to jail for life , not being rewarded as hero and as deserving of happy ending, when her victims happy ending were cut to a end, because of her, but no since she is Regina sister she gets a pass, just like Regina gets a pass and as hook will get a pass and they live happily ever after, because according to fans( that let their opinion known to writers, that then write what the fans want) they deserve a happy ending more than the victims, bc they dont matter.
Look at king george, in jail just bc he is not important to any of the Charming/mills family."I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
But this is not a Greek tragedy, it’s a fantasy melodrama. So this episode, by putting the engagement ring and proposal into a single narrative frame, presents the consequences for Hook’s past actions catching up with him as first and foremost a potential impediment to his prospective marriage, which we all know will happen regardless. For me, that’s the main issue. Hook as a character is overdetermined by his ability to “get the girl” — everything else seems to fall by the wayside, including the girl’s other familial relations. This particular focus does Hook’s character no favors.
But we never got Hook saying how worried he is that Emma won’t marry him now bc of what he did to Robert. For all we know, the first thing that pops into his head is in fact how Charming will feel and how awful he himself feels for being the one who actually killed Robert, especially after helping him the whole episode figure out what happened to give David some closure. Nowhere did the show suggest all he cares about is getting the girl. He even lied to Emma for David. I don’t think it’s fair to say he is simply overdetermined to get the girl and doesn’t care about anything else. That was Hook in season 3 and even 4. But I think he has shown countless times that he cares for others. Just this season, he cared about what Henry thought about him. And he saved his life.
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