October 15, 2012 at 7:19 am #156733Killian JonesParticipant
@Charlie Francis wrote:
Emma was an idiot all episode long. Snow says don’t trust Cora, Emma says “hey guess what, I share a son with your daughter!” Emma is told Ogres hunt by sound, Emma shoots her gun, etc. It got real old real fast. Her attitude towards the people who actually knew what they were talking about made her look like a brat.
Emma doing all that, really showing her short comings just really empowered Snow for me, it had me going kind of nuts like “listen to your mom!” Considering she’s in a land she’s never been and is used to being able to handle herself it’s not unreasonable that there would be some growing pains. For her to finally get that she needs to defer to Snow and why she sent her away in the wardrobe and that scene in the nursery made the episode for me. That, the Charming fight scene where he totally lays out all those knights, plus when Snow go Legolas on that Ogre all really made this episode great for me.
@Charlie Francis wrote:
Henry – Takes advantage of his mothers love for him, skips school, refuses to ever mind his own business. Never suffers any consequences for anything he does.
Well I wouldn’t say getting Emma and Snow back is none of his business and I think Charming sees that dismissing Henry’s attempts to help will lead him to think he has to do things on his own which will actually just end up with Henry putting himself in more dangerous situations. It’s something that hasn’t changed since last season, when he went into the mine shaft, when he ate the poison apple turnover. Henry is really stubborn kind of runs in the family and actually letting Henry help in some capacity will at least allow David to keep his grandson safe. Seeing Henry take advantage of Regina also wasn’t a favorite part of mine really I felt awful for Regina I know she’s the Evil Queen but here she is doing something from the heart letting Henry be with his grandfather, trying to redeem herself and then something really heartbreaking like this happens… worst of all she couldn’t even go herself to make sure Henry was safe she had to ask David. How horrible must that be?[adrotate group="5"]October 15, 2012 at 10:30 am #156738midnight drearyParticipant
It was a good episode, but the lack of other focus on the other characters was a bit of bummer for me. But I loved seeing Emma and Snow bond together and fight side by side. It was sweet and very long overdo. 😀
But I do wish we could have seen more Rumpel, Regina, Red or Belle. I missed them like crazy in last night’s episode. 🙁October 15, 2012 at 11:16 am #156739SlurpeezParticipant
We’re about to get an entire episode centered around Rumple, with some Belle and Red in it. We had an entire Regina-centric episode last week. I actually prefer this method of story-telling, because it goes deeper in one episode with one or two main characters than the writers could go in the span of 2 or 3 snippets of screen time per character each episode. Last week was really good as far as developing Regina’s character, and this week was really good for developing the mother-daughter relationship between Emma and Snow White. If the writers included every character in each episode, then there would be a limit into how far they could go, because they’d be jumping around every other minute. That would be more dissatisfying than the way they’ve chosen to focus on one or two main characters each week.
I also really liked the pacing in this episode. The writers balanced it well between the three story-lines, and I was happy that most of the time was divided between FTL-past and FTL-present with some SB thrown in. I think next week’s episode will mostly focus on SB and FTL-past with only a glimpse of FTL-present. So, the amount of time spent in total on each of the different story-lines seems to be balanced over all.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal CassidyOctober 15, 2012 at 11:50 am #156741gigiParticipant
I don’t have high hope for this eps but i download it anyway, I had to wait 3 hours straight for it to load. Then it went completely like i thought, boring plot, bad characters writing. I can’t stand Emma, she’s getting dumber every single eps. Seriously, your mom just told you not to trust that Cora, and then she said she shared her son with Regina… and then SW, she just got snatched to King Geogre (her enemy), he gave her a drink and she just comfortably drank it. And Lancelot character was meh! 2 seconds ago, he’s on Geogre side and then he became bff with Charming+Snow, held their wedding.. Charming’s mother’s death was bullsh*t. Henry took advantage of Regina, stole her keys and tried to help his mom and grandma. I don’t blame him for that, Regina deserved it. I feel zero sympathy for her. It’s called karma. I’m looking foward to the next eps, it’s Rumple’s centric and i know it will be awesome, cuz Robert Carlyle is awesome.October 15, 2012 at 12:41 pm #156755mikeParticipant
I think this episode was very good. Up until she saw that ogre, Emma had that “I can do it all, don’t need your help, since you were never there for me” attitude. The rebellious teen. Although, I can only imagine what it would be like to come face to face with a 20+ foot blood-thirsty freak in the woods at night – that can change ones prospective (and shorts) in a hurry. That one event made her realize that her mom is, and will be, there for her always.
Hearing her mom express her regrets of not able to raise her was very moving to Emma. For me, Snow’s regret and sadness that she will never recapture the moments and time lost with her child, who is now an adult, well, that was just heartbreaking. Closing the nursery door at the end, well, that was basically stating that she was closing the door on that incomplete chapter of her life – very sad. A great performance by both actors.
I think this plot device of sending Snow and Emma to the remains of the EF is excellent; it’s like sending a dysfunctional family on a 30-day wilderness boot-camp to work out their issues – except there are ogres to speed up the process. Great opportunity to move the story along and begin the healing process for mother and daughter. I believe that David, Henry and Regina are doing the same, but in different ways.
Prince Charming and his mom had some nice touching moments. What an easy going gal. Ya, got this arrow sticking out of my chest, never mind that, nice to meet you Snow, how are things? Glad there was some closure given to his mom’s story. The creators are doing a good job of forwarding the stories, but not leaving too many dangling strings and unanswered questions (like what happened with Lost).October 15, 2012 at 1:44 pm #156768pinkfairyParticipant
I really don’t see the whole point of the ‘snow white gets cursed and can’t have babies’ storyline? I mean, we already know she has a baby? It just seemed such a weak way to mix in with the ‘charming’s mother dying’ storyline? And wooo they were already married before the big official wedding, is this going to have some significance later? I thought it was going to be a way of us finding out Charming’s real name (which i keep harping on about! lol) but nope 😕
I’m not really getting the point of Henry going to the cript if he didn’t find anything? (well apart from snakes!)
Think i’m going to go rewatch and think some more now 😀October 15, 2012 at 1:51 pm #156770gigiParticipant
Everything is too rush. But thanks god they was rush because aside from the touching mother-daughter in the end, Jeff’s reunion, everything was completely dull. The pregnant thing was boring because we all knew she will give birth to Emma, no susprise here. I can’t stand if they longer this to another eps. The actors and actresses are good, but the writers of this eps is running out of ideas for the Charmings’s plot. But i guess it, they have to go through the Charming’s plot before moving to another character. Still this’s not a good eps.October 15, 2012 at 6:34 pm #156795charlie francisParticipant
Its telling how boring episodes are when the villains aren’t in them. For most of the fandom, I think Rumpelstiltskin and Regina make the show.
Watching good guys run around being good and heroic lacks any real drama and tension.October 15, 2012 at 10:50 pm #156816zlfh4Participant
Uh no villains…I think Cora is worse than both Rumple and Regina but thats just me, I didn’t find it boring at all..though I will admit some of the storylines did seem a little pointless but that doesn’t mean there will not be any significance later on..October 16, 2012 at 12:44 am #156825elleParticipant
I actually enjoyed it. I think it was a great development for Snow White and Emma. 🙂 Both actresses were wonderful together, and Emma acting the way she did with was not at all a surprise–she is resentful and bitter, and she wants to try to show that she does not need anyone and that she can stand up for herself. She is not used to people caring for her.
And I don’t blame Henry for what he did–how many times has Regina done something, manipulated someone for her own purposes. She may be trying to change, but she is not being entirely truthful–she still was not willing to truly help Prince Charming find Emma and Snow White. If she was, she would have told him the whole truth about Jefferson. I honestly don’t think Regina would have helped even if Henry had asked–she kept the keys hidden for a reason.
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