October 16, 2016 at 9:05 pm #328752
We learned that the only way to kill a doppleganger is to kill the original. What do you think of this revelation? And what does this mean for Regina? Is she now destined to die as well?[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 16, 2016 at 9:15 pm #328757
I’ll just repeat what I said in another thread:
Really dislike the idea that in order to kill the doppelganger you have to kill the original. They are the same person! They are two sides of the same coin; one isn’t more powerful or more “real” than the other. It’s about integration and learning to temper both sides of yourself. So Hyde is, ipso facto, which also means that the Evil Queen is less “real” than Regina but…that’s a really silly way to go. They are one and the same. Regina is the Evil Queen, always. It’s about learning to keep the darkness at bay and listening to your “higher angels.”
This feels like such a manufactured end to the Jekyll and Hyde story and only the resolution in order to create tension over whether or not Regina would die. Hint: she won’t."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 16, 2016 at 9:38 pm #328763AKAParticipant
I think we all know that the end game will be Regina accepting her “dark” side and reintegrating herself. I am Okay with the you must kill the actual person to kill the doppelganger, I think it makes sense. The doppelganger is not the actual person but just a part of the person. I kind of see it like a whole in the heart that has manifested itself into a person. A small part of the soul. If you try and kill that part of the soul the actual person won’t die but if you kill the person that part of the soul would die with it?October 16, 2016 at 9:38 pm #328764kranenParticipant
I am slightly worried now that the reason that Regina isn’t in Emma’s vision is because she’s dead. I mean, I doubt that the writers would actually get rid of Lana but I feel like it’s something that we need to consider now.October 16, 2016 at 9:42 pm #328765
The doppelganger is not the actual person but just a part of the person. I kind of see it like a whole in the heart that has manifested itself into a person. A small part of the soul. If you try and kill that part of the soul the actual person won’t die but if you kill the person that part of the soul would die with it?
Oooh I disagree. You cannot kill part of yourself– but the real issue is the idea that one half of you is more “real” than the other.
The issue comes with the notion that because Jekyll is the original, he is more real than his inner “beast.” This rings as wholly antithetical to what the show has been setting up if not just this season than all series long. You cannot escape who you are. You are both proper and not; you are strong and weak; you are potent and impotent. Jekyll isn’t the original anything; he’s the face presented to the world because his world and its views dictate that a man must be a certain thing; you cannot be both, even though we have ample evidence that men in his world are, hence the little tangent about Dr. Lydgate and the pretty pretty assistant. Men (and women!) are both, neither is original, neither is more real and neither has claim to being over the other. So when, in Storybrooke, Jekyll is impaled and Hyde also dies as a result, it’s hard not to feel like the show is missing its own themes in favor of drumming up some manufactured drama and tension for the much beloved Mayor Regina Mills. In order to kill the Evil Queen, Regina must die! But, like with Jekyll and Hyde, that fails to take into consideration the fact that Regina is the Evil Queen, will always be the Evil Queen, and she–the person she is now–does not have primacy on identity. This is doubly true when you consider that Regina we know now isn’t even really “original Regina” who was a stable princess, scared of her mother, a passive agent under a tyrant who simply wanted to be free. The Regina we see now, the one claiming she has to die, has been through a life time’s worth of heartache, drama, and conflict–most of which happened as her tenure as the Evil Queen!
Sticking with Regina, she’s a multi-facited, multi-personality person. She is a mother and a queen and a step mother and a witch and a mayor and a daughter and a sister. Regina is all of these things and neither of them take the lead over the other. For example: if Henry were in danger and Regina had to use magic to save him, is that her mother side or her witch side? Or is she both while being all the other aspects in my list."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 16, 2016 at 9:52 pm #328766WickedRegalParticipant
I’m so fed up with OUAT at this point…just set Lana Parrilla free from this sinking Titanic, and let her find a show or movie more deserving of her gift and talent!
Unfortunately, I’ve always had that disturbing suspicion that peace in death would end up being Regina’s Happily Ever After. I wouldn’t be surprised if they brought Robin Hood back just to kill him off with Regina by the end of this season…who knows?
I no longer can trust Adam and Eddy to find any other way out of the ditch they keep digging themselves in, not just with the character Regina, but all of their characters….so at this point, hope is dead for me with this show.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn BalorOctober 16, 2016 at 9:58 pm #328767GaultheriaParticipant
Hyde was stabbed in the heart a little earlier, so maybe that’s part of it. However, characters on OUAT tend not to be wrong about what they say aloud even when they jump to conclusions, so Regina is probably speaking for the writers.
Gaultheria's fanvids: http://youtube.com/sagethrasherOctober 16, 2016 at 10:09 pm #328769AKAParticipant
Sticking with Regina, she’s a multi-facited, multi-personality person. She is a mother and a queen and a step mother and a witch and a mayor and a daughter and a sister. Regina is all of these things and neither of them take the lead over the other. For example: if Henry were in danger and Regina had to use magic to save him, is that her mother side or her witch side? Or is she both while being all the other aspects in my list.
This is why I love this forum, debating and making you doubt yourself. I will have to seriously consider this because everything you just said was right and I had not thought of it that way. If I continue to say that Regina must accept her dark side that means that her dark side is part of who she is and therefore should not be able to be killed or actually either one killed should kill the other. When Rumple tried to kill Hyde it should have killed him and Jekyll also?October 16, 2016 at 10:20 pm #328770
When Rumple tried to kill Hyde it should have killed him and Jekyll also?
I think it’s less about you can harm one and it harms the other and more about you have to harm the whole person. When we first learned that Hyde could not be harmed or killed, I thought it was because he was a split and that in order to do deadly harm, you have to kill the whole person. If Regina were whole and non-split you couldn’t set out to just harm the Evil Queen. You have to harm Regina which means by extension harming the EQ (along with every other part of what makes Regina, Regina).
If I were a writer on this show, my solution isn’t “death by original” it’s that you have to reintegrate the two before any type of harm could befall you. The real solution to Jekyll and Hyde, and likewise to Regina and the Evil Queen, is not that one is more real and thus capable of destruction; it’s integration. For Regina, it’s about temperament and finding the courage within yourself to be all your aspects, not just one over the other, something she has been doing for quite a long time and the thing she struggled with the most in the S5B finale."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 17, 2016 at 7:28 am #328786sciencevsmagicParticipant
We learned that the only way to kill a doppleganger is to kill the original. What do you think of this revelation? And what does this mean for Regina? Is she now destined to die as well?
When I watched the episode, it didn’t strike me as counter-intuitive, but now that I’ve read your argument, I agree with you. Maybe it’s got something to do with the fact that they don’t share bodies anymore, like they did with in the Jekyll/Hyde flashbacks? So essentially, we’ve got these personalities inhabiting bodies that materialised out of nothing. If you really wanted to, you could try to make some pseudo-scientific argument about the new body drawing its life force from the original, or perhaps being a sort of reflection of the original. But if this was the case, you’d expect the doppelganger’s body to disappear after he/she dies. So no, I can’t make sense of it.
It strikes me as completely bizarre that not one of these characters has thought of the idea of reintegrating Regina’s dark side. They need to head over to Storybrooke library and check out some books on psychology. But seriously, Snow’s always going on about “being who you really are” and we went through a whole arc where Emma learned to accept the magical part of herself. You’d think they’d be able to extrapolate these lessons to Regina’s dark side.
But there’s no way they’re killing off Regina. No, not even at the end of the series. Look at what happened with Robin. Just three episodes later, they were backtracking about what really happened to him (obliterated, but apparently not) and now they’re bringing him back in some capacity, probably to placate the fans. Regina is about a million times more popular than Robin. They wouldn’t dare.
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