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It strikes me as completely bizarre that not one of these characters has thought of the idea of reintegrating Regina’s dark side
This! Like why isn’t this even a conversation right now? Regina even up to her split was doing a great job of keeping a lid on the Evil Queen. She felt the pull of darkness–and likely always will–but she kept that side of her under control, using only the Queen’s passion in moderation to help her friends and family. The fact that no one is saying “maybe this wasn’t a great idea” bothers me.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Really dislike the idea that in order to kill the doppelganger you have to kill the original. They are the same person! They are two sides of the same coin; one isn’t more powerful or more “real” than the other. It’s about integration and learning to temper both sides of yourself. So Hyde is, ipso facto, which also means that the Evil Queen is less “real” than Regina but…that’s a really silly way to go. They are one and the same. Regina is the Evil Queen, always. It’s about learning to keep the darkness at bay and listening to your “higher angels.”
Isn’t this the exact reason why killing the original should kill the doppelganger? If they truly are the same person, then when you kill Regina, it should kill the EQ too. Since this is not how Regina is going to go, I don’t think, they are going to do exactly what you say above. They are going to put the EQ back into Regina and Regina will learn to temper it. I’m confused as to why if you think that Regina and the EQ are one and the same, that killing Regina wouldn’t kill the EQ as well? It’s not really “killing” the EQ as it is just killing Regina and her soul. Her soul consists of the EQ persona and the Regina persona. However, with her ripping apart the EQ persona, it is wreaking havoc. But to make that persona go away, you have to kill the original or put it back into her. It makes total sense to me. But again, they will find a way to put the EQ persona back into Regina and she will have to learn to cope with it and that will be the message.
It’s not really “killing” the EQ as it is just killing Regina and her soul. Her soul consists of the EQ persona and the Regina persona. However, with her ripping apart the EQ persona, it is wreaking havoc. But to make that persona go away, you have to kill the original or put it back into her. It makes total sense to me.
You know they could have easily shown this by having both men morph back into one after they die. This was my original thought process also but I can see RG point also. I would have loved the idea that EQ and Hyde were just manifestations of the original person’s soul, but to make that work they would not have any “real” power. They could cause chaos but not directly. Once did not show this they had the EQ control the Count’s heart, put up a protection spell at the town line, and maybe kill the Dragon. I don’t know I am a bit all over the place with this one
confused as to why if you think that Regina and the EQ are one and the same, that killing Regina wouldn’t kill the EQ as well? I
If they are integrated, yes. But the idea that killing an “original” is how you kill the doppelganger still split baffles me. There is no such thing as an original person or persona that has some sort of dominance over the other aspects of who you are. To quote Whitman, “I am large and i contain multitudes.” All of them are you and you are all of them. The Regina we know now has no more primacy over identity than does the EQ. That’s not original Regina at all.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Is just like harry potter, she wont die for real, just by killing her or a part of her soul, they will be able to kill EQ for good, meaning she will no longer be part of Regina soul and meaning EQ is forever gone.
Well Im sure they will find a way to bring Regina back from dead.. I mean its Lana…they cant get rid of her that would mean the end of the show.
So they will ressurect her 🙂 I like it, but it would have had a better impact if they hadnt already used the dying and coming back again so many times on the show.
I think it does make sense to me that “the original person” has to die in order for the “split side” of the person to be destroyed. I mean its just a concept made for this fairytale.. We all know its not a possibility in real life.
I think it does make sense to me that “the original person” has to die in order for the “split side” of the person to be destroyed. I mean its just a concept made for this fairytale.. We all know its not a possibility in real life.
Of course not, but that’s not the issue. The issue is whether or not there’s such a thing as an original you. Let’s take another character as an example: Hook.
If Hook were to split, it would (most likely) be into Killian Jones and Pirate!Hook. If they went the route they did with Regina, there would be little to no difference between the split Killian Jones and the Killian Jones we see walking around SB unsplit.
But is that Killian Jones (both newly split and non split Killian) the same Killian Jones we met as a young naval officer in 305? Is he the same Killian Jones we met in s2 “Crocodile” before he ever lost his hand? No. Is it the same DNA and physically the same person, yes, but that’s not what makes a person, as least it’s not the grand total of personhood.
So therefore the idea that to kill newly split Hook you must kill his original which would be newly split Killian doesn’t hold any water because the Killian we see now is not the same Killian he was 250+ years ago. It’s not even the same Killian we saw back in present day S2! There is no “original” you that stays original throughout your lifetime. That’s not how identity works. You are an ever evolving, ever changing being and your experiences add to you identity not wholly replace.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The issue is whether or not there’s such a thing as an original you. Let’s take another character as an example: Hook…..
Is he the same Killian Jones we met in s2 “Crocodile” before he ever lost his hand? No. Is it the same DNA and physically the same person, yes, but that’s not what makes a person, as least it’s not the grand total of personhood. So therefore the idea that to kill newly split Hook you must kill his original which would be newly split Killian doesn’t hold any water …..
There is no “original” you that stays original throughout your lifetime. That’s not how identity works. You are an ever evolving, ever changing being and your experiences add to you identity not wholly replace.
Yep I get you, but to me that is stil holding it up to some kind of ‘real’ standard. They dont have to.
So they have said- Okay, Say you could split a person, and say it would be like if you took a copy of a text but only of some of the lines the rest of the page would remain blank… the text you took the copy of would be the original, at the time that you took the copy. If you had an older version of the same text, but the new text had some lines added,, a copy of the older text would be a different copy…
-And then they have desided that the copy is still attached to the original and will be destroyed with it… I mean, they can deside that, that is how it works. I dont see why not.. since they dont have to stay true to reality where we cant make such copies of ourselves… yet 😉
But you are right the problem with it is Why though, Why does the copy get destroyed along with the original ?. They dont give us that answer yet and if we know them well enough, Id say we will never get an answer to that question. That still doesnt kill the notion for me though, because I think if they really wanted too, they could come up with an answer…. like for example, we could say the Evil Queen copy is only a reflexion, just like a reflexion from a mirror. As long as you stand infront of the mirror the reflexion will always be there, you cant get rid of it.. but if you step away from the mirror, the reflexion is also gone… or something like that.
You can always argue that you dont like where that will take the story out of a personal preference. But I feel opposite, I like it because this makes the problem a lot harder to solve, now that they cant just either get rid of Evil Queen and they cant just reintergrate her into Regina with a potion or what not. So thats kind of exiting I think.
If they are integrated, yes. But the idea that killing an “original” is how you kill the doppelganger still split baffles me. There is no such thing as an original person or persona that has some sort of dominance over the other aspects of who you are. To quote Whitman, “I am large and i contain multitudes.” All of them are you and you are all of them. The Regina we know now has no more primacy over identity than does the EQ. That’s not original Regina at all.
I totally agree. I wouldn’t have minded it hurting one could weaken the other, but somehow their link prevented lethal killing of either separately. And one way to kill them successfully was to kill them both simultaneously (say Rumple on some suspicion decided to choke Hyde again, and watch them both die. That would have been fine. Though maybe tough for Rumple to pull off while Jekyll held the dagger).
But to suggest that their is an original, more pure or authentic version, when you split people in two?
If that was the case I’d argue Hyde, despite looking different, was the original. Mary said that Hyde acted like society didn’t influence him. Therefor could Hyde not have been more like Jekyll as a child, before social conditioning so forcefully shaped him into a particular box veneered with social acceptability?
It is that old argument of nurture vs nature.
And that argument is even harder with Regina. We knew so little of Jekyll and Hyde. But we knew Regina as a child, in the flashbacks as a young child, in the stable, married to Snow’s father, widowed Queen carrying revenge on Snow, as mayor/mother, and her development the last five seasons. I can’t contemplate either of these woman who look like Regina as being an original.
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