January 14, 2013 at 4:04 pm #168264PheeParticipant
Claude! We hardly knew ye, but congrats on getting some back story. 😉
Ha, how could I forget Claude. That was another thing that I loved.
They coulda made the guy in this ep some totally unrelated random, so I got a real kick outta the fact it was actually poor, doomed Claude.
Well I’m sure he’ll be back on, but it just seems like this show can really drop the ball. Sometimes they can get it just perfect like the ending of last night’s episode or breaking the curse the first season, but then other times, they just let important things go for several episodes and then just have one of the characters address it verbally to give closure to fans and that just frustrates me to no end.
True, stuff like you mentioned can be frustrating and unsatisfying. 😕 I’m keeping the faith that they’ll wrap up August’s role in the story properly though, because it really does seem unavoidable to involve him again if they want to address things like exactly how Emma ended up in jail and why Neal left her. Hopefully my faith won’t be unwarranted in this case.
However, again, I think it would have been better if they waited before Belle rescued Archie so soon after he was kidnapped, so we got to see Cora and Hook spying on the town, and see them become overconfident that they had everyone fooled. Then, Belle could rescue Archie.
It was sorta anti-climactic to only see him be interrogated for about 5 seconds before getting away. And yes, I’d really expected them to be lying low and sussing the town out for longer. I wonder if Cora’s aware of all of Hook’s hasty antics? Will she be unimpressed when she discovers that their cover has already been blown?
Can’t wait to see how Rumbelle progresses (or not) now. Surely they’ll get it together eventually, and he’ll figure out how to get her memories back, but in the meantime it’ll be interesting to see how she reacts to him. I mean, if she’s gotta ask people around her who the strange man is, it’s not like they’re gonna paint a pretty picture for her.
Yes, while it won’t be easy for either party, this actually might be Rumple’s best chance to actually work on bettering himself if he really is sincere in doing so. Old Belle might have been able to forgive Rumple slipping up, but current Belle probably won’t be so forgiving to him.
Exactly, they’ve gotta start from scratch and this is a major turning point for him. Even if everyone badmouths him to her, he still has the opportunity to prove himself either for better or worse. No pressure Rumple, but don’t bugger it up!
Who is Ethan that you say crossed the town line in the car? :/
Ethan Embry is the actor who was driving the car at the end of the ep and is in the promo for next week. Dunno that it was ever officially confirmed by an official source, but we’re all pretty confident that he’s the one who got the gig for the character that was named Barrett in this casting call from a little while ago: http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/10/once-upon-time-episode-211-major.html[adrotate group="5"]January 14, 2013 at 5:33 pm #168271angiebelleParticipant
Wow! What an episode! I loved seeing Belle get out of situations using her book smarts- about time we get to see her do more this season than just be a victim. She has always been my favorite character- long before OuaT. (I have used the screenname AngieBelle in her honor since I was 15.)
I knew Hook was going to meet them at the line and aim a gun- that was in the promo….but whoa, what a twist having her get thrown over the border of Storybrooke! She is going to freak without her enchanted forest memories- and maybe we will learn more about what false memories she had while in the asylum. Poor Rumple! My heart just broke for him. But he’ll get her back, I just know it.
(And how did Hook find out about the whole border thing anyway?)January 14, 2013 at 6:02 pm #168274evilqueenParticipant
And how did Hook find out about the whole border thing anyway?
– Archie – he had to tell Hook SOMETHING or get hurt so he decided to tell him what he thought would be of the least significance.
– Smee – that little rat of a man was probably so excited about leaving Storybrooke for good and ‘without the barrier’ that Hook surely must have picked up on that and questioned him about it. And something tells me Smee could be quite a talkative guy sometimes 😛January 14, 2013 at 6:18 pm #168279MyrilParticipant
Shortly after watching this episode I pictured the writers sitting for hours, days in a room, twisting their brains how to make all the different story lines work in this one episode, chewing the script over again and again. Imagined after long hours they accepted their fate: make it work but don’t expect it to be good. The episode left me with a sour taste.
Belle would have deserved a well developed story line letting her shine as smart and brave heroine, but not this one. It explored her sometimes incomprehensible will to stick to Rumple and fight for the good in him, but I never felt like that really needed that much more exploration. But it was nice to see, how in Fairy Tale Lands as well as in the present time in Storybrooke a bit of geekiness helps to save the day, and not muscle and sword. Okay, in Storybrooke in the end the day was not saved, not for everybody. But still: never underestimate a bookworm.
One thing that made Belle’s flashback story line worth it was how they intertwined it with how Phillip and Mulan met, adding a tidbit of information about Maleficent’s quest against Aurora and her family. Another epic battle of evil against good, and I certainly would like to see more about it (not the least to see Kristin Bauer van Straten again). Guess for now have to live with the tease.
Okay, for a greater impact of the last minutes of this episode they had to flesh Belle’s story out here, make clear, a) she’s all determind to fight what she believes in, and that is that there is good in Rumple, b)show how much influence she has on Rumple, at the moment she is the only one who really can get through to him. Makes the loss of her memory, of her identity at the end the more dramatic. A new obstacle for Rumple. Setback on his way to redemption, who is going to hold him back now when it comes to Hook?
It’s an episode which IMO needs some fanwanking ( = finding the best explanations fans can come up with out of good will, after long sleepless nights and days, too much coffee infused into the body and tons of sweets and junk food)
Well, reading books doesn’t equal experience, but even dumber bookworms hardly would have had the utterly stupid idea to go for a monster kill with just a tiny knife, it would have been at least a monster sword. That was over the top, and think out of character for Belle. It’s not just the small knife, it’s going for a kill first and ask questions later attitude for a brief moment. Really?! Belle’s not a pacifist, but she’s not a hothead either. Well, of course, maybe she only wanted to poke the hybernating beast for a while until it would surrender exhausted by laughter. Or only wanted to trap the beast and the small knife was for not seriously meant self-protection. Or she wasn’t thinking at all overwhelmed by childish excitement to be in an adventure. Whatever.
What did Archie do after Belle freed him and he went to Rumple do get him to the ship? Did he stay there at the pier? Did he go for a walk to sort out his thoughts? Take a shower? I know, time is a b****, so possible some things in Storybrooke we saw happened nearly at the same time. I seriously expected Archie to follow Pongo storming into the apartment, but turned out it was just Emma bringing Pongo for Henry. But doing it in that scene would have been in the middle of the episode, and it would have taken attention away from the Belle-Hook-Rumple storyline, so the writers had to postbone Archie’s return. They could have done it at the diner, ending David’s and Snow’s little banter, although this would have distracted from the banter. Somehow think that doing it in the first 10 minutes of next episode could even have worked better, depending on the next episode. But instead we got this awkward moment with Henry and Emma. Get it, they had to build up to the knock at the door with something, so they threw this piece of painfull filling-a-moment at us. And because they had so no time left and to hurry for the big showdown final of the episode, they left us with only a very unsatisfying tease. Oh, of course, they will have to tell Regina, hoping to stop her before she explodes into a rage against them. Good luck with that. I hope that this is not it, this short moment, it should rattle Emma a lot more (should have trusted her first instincts). But, uhm, no big surprise and than panic, that obviously somehow Cora and Hook made it to Storybrooke after all? Would have been at least my second thought, if not the first.
It didn’t bother me at all, that they freed Archie so soon. The story fulfilled its purpose. Letting Belle find him while looking for the shawl was plausible and a simple, quick way to get Archie out of there.
Oh, the White-Charming-Swan family. Why were they in this episode? Ah, okay, had to work through aftermath of losing Archie. And do some build up for next episode(s) maybe. The dwarfs are homesick and so is Prince Charming. Stay or go back home, that is a good question. Not to mention the world full of strangers unused to magic out there beyond the border of Storybrooke, how to deal with that. Build up for the final of this episode and likely for coming episodes.
Hook-Rumple storyline: It did make sense to do a first clash now, Hook is not the type to wait long and plan and pull strings out of hiding like Cora does. Expect it not to be the last one though. There were some interesting little moments of insight into Hook’s character (maybe more about that in character analyses later). But that moment on his ship with Rumple, Rumple telling Hook to sail until he falls off the edge of the world (nice one) – uhm, aaalllright, Belle was there, Rumple forgot his hundred of years of experience with people like Hook for the sake of his love, and decided to kinda trust the pirat to do what he was told. For the sake of the showdown at the end of the episode.
The potion to overcome identity-loss leaving Storybrooke: couldn’t be a simple thing, had to be more complicate. But did everybody get the snag? I wonder. The potion only works with the object one helds most dear (besides that Rumple wasn’t able to brew more than some milliliters). Smee’s cap was worthless for anybody but Smee, the potion soaked shawl can only protect Rumple. It’s just a guess, but looks like you always have to keep the object close to your body once you left. As dear as the chipped cup is to Rumple, there is something more important to him (as Bae is more important than Belle). And it’s more pleasant to carry a shawl around all day and night then a chipped cup. The potion thing has weaknesses, but I do thank in this case the writers, because the thought already bothered me, that they would break this curse keeping people still in Storybrooke too soon. To me it makes a lot more sense to last longer. They found a way to get Rumple out of town chasing after his son without breaking this curse for everybody.
All in all it had the feeling of a transitional episode, taking us from one bigger event to the next, upcoming one. Such episodes are tough to write, so it’s easy to fail.
And sorry for the length. Was on a roll.
¯\_(?????? ?)_/¯January 14, 2013 at 6:56 pm #168290a chipped cupParticipant
This was such a good episode. I’m still speechless. For starters, the cliffhanger was MIND-BLOWING. Belle was shot and lost her memory, Hook was hit by a car, an outsider entered Storybrooke, and Rumpel is on a vengeful rampage. WHOA.
My favorite moments came primarily from Belle. I’ve always liked Belle, but this episode cemented my love for her character. We were always told that Belle was smart and brave, but we never got to see it. And boy did we get it bucket loads! She kicked Hook’s ass in the library, she used her books to help her locate Hook’s ship, she actually used MAGIC to find the ship, she rescued Dr. Hopper and stood up to Hook all in one episode. I loved it.
Oh, and how could I forget? She also saved Prince Philip from Maleficient’s curse. Go Belle!
Robert Carlyle also stole the show. His performance was great and his scenes with Hook were amazing. I loved seeing him wail on Hook with his cane again. That just never gets old. Colin also did a great job. And so did Emilie. Everyone was great in this episode.January 14, 2013 at 7:09 pm #168294thedarkoneParticipant
My initial reaction?
OH…MY…GOD!!!!!! 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮
This episode blew me away. I was not expected that ending. That totally threw me for a loop. Belle was amazing and a total show-stopper in this episode. It was refreshing to see her take charge and be brave in both worlds. I also loved that she talked Gold out of killing Hook. I really thought that he was going to kill him! 😯 And Belle. My poor Belle. Why did Hook have to have such good aim? Why couldn’t he miss that shot? Now my ship is on hold and Rumpel is bound to go on a revenge trip. *Sigh* But I can’t wait to see who the newbie in town is! I hope he’s from the Enchanted Forest.
EPIC episode. Tons of great moments for Belle and a lot of tense scenes between Hook and Rumpel. I couldn’t ask for anything more.January 15, 2013 at 1:12 am #168354rubyphoenixParticipant
Oh my goodness!!! What an exhilarating and suspenseful episode! 😮 Forget Hook, I have a major girl-crush on Belle now! I was just waiting for Hook pop up in any second every time Belle was alone. And for some reason, that “bang” scared me. Wasn’t expecting it. Lol. I think I always had in mind that Hook was going to get hit by the car before he could pull the trigger. Unfortunately, I was wrong. 🙁 One of my favorite eps of the season so far…minus what happened to Belle.
Also, when Belle was holding the gun and putting it down on the bench, I was like “NOOO, don’t do that Belle!” But then again, I’m not sure if Belle knows how a gun works or can even kill…January 15, 2013 at 1:23 am #168355
I’m shocked that they found Archie so soon. I thought we would get two or three episodes of Cora manipulating Regina as Regina tried more and more desperately to resist the temptation to return to evil since she had lost everything. Instead, Emma and Henry now know she is innocent of Archie’s murder and Emma is probably going to feel a little guilty that she doubted Regina (or Regina will be sure to make her feel guilty.) This could make Emma more likely to let Regina have some time with Henry, which could only serve to help strengthen Regina’s resolve to reform and help her resist Cora’s schemes.
So, it seems the writers have squandered an opportunity for an extended dramatic story for Regina by foiling Cora’s plan so early. Knowing these writers however, I suspect Cora is going to cook up an unexpected new plan that will come at Regina from a different direction. I can’t wait to see what it is!January 15, 2013 at 1:31 am #168356
Even Rumple with his cane defeated him easily. It’s almost as if he wanted to die/lose. He said himself – ‘take my heart so I can be reunited with Milah’ – so he suggested the exact type of death he wanted to face and Rumple followed. Where am I going with that? Well, Belle also said ‘your heart is rotten’ to which he replied ‘you have no idea’. Maybe, apart from sarcasm, there is more to it? He’s obviously still aching from Milah’s death as we even saw in the final scene so either he wants to die because the pain is unbearable but something is stopping him from killing himself or maybe he found a way to kill Rumple by luring him into ripping his heart out – perhaps some sort of spell that would kill both of them once Rumple is crushing his heart? That’s why his heart could be rotten, from the spell? As a result, probably both of them would die, but what would Hook have once Rumple’s dead? He’s vengeance would have been accomplished but the pain would still be there. Instead, he could ‘reunite’ with Milah?
I had the same reaction. It made me think of Hook’s scenes with Cora back in the Enchanted forest when she met him as he came down the beanstalk and after he released Aurora. In both cases, he essentially said, “Go ahead and take my heart.” Either he wants to die or he’s managed to do something magical to his heart.January 15, 2013 at 1:45 am #168357
Ok…have to rethink my logic here and bet 2kfl 138 is a reference to Peter Pan…
I agree. One interpretation of 2KFL 138 as a vanity plate is “took flight”
Good thinking! There have also been theories that he could be the Wizard of Oz, who is another character who “took flight”. I’m more inclined to the Peter theory though, (even though part of me would still love Bae to be Peter).
After reading this, my first thought was, “It’s a shame that last digit is an 8 because the MGM movie The Wizard of Oz was released in 1939.” Then I remembered (and confirmed on Wikipedia) that MGM bought the rights to the story and began production in January of 1938 – “Took flight in 1-’38” : 2KFL 138
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