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It does feel like they set up Mulan Rogue and then got cold feet for some inexplicable reason? Was it Disney??
I was wondering the same thing.
[adrotate group="5"]It does feel like they set up Mulan Rogue and then got cold feet for some inexplicable reason? Was it Disney??
I was wondering the same thing.
If that’s so it makes me incredibly sad. It means that 1) Disney has a pretty limited definition of family and 2) they don’t understand their own mass universal appeal. I mean good god…how big is lgbt Disney fanbase. Imma go with massive.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If that’s so it makes me incredibly sad. It means that 1) Disney has a pretty limited definition of family and 2) they don’t understand their own mass universal appeal. I mean good god…how big is lgbt Disney fanbase. Imma go with massive.
It is quite disturbing indeed, which is why I want to believe it isn’t the case. But once again, similarly to how season 5a switched gears, this felt like a major switch, and because the writers promised a LGBT relationship, they had to deliver it, even if they got a NO from Disney for Mulan. So in pops Dorothy. At least that’s how it felt to me.
So in pops Dorothy. At least that’s how it felt to me
It’s how it felt to me as well especially since Dorothy has had no meaningful development inside her own mythos. She’s simply *there* in Oz but nothing Ozian is actually happening.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"OMG. You’re right, this makes sense and it must have been the thing Jaime was refering in her tweet.
"All your questions are pointless"
I was pleasantly surprised by how well Dorothy and Red clicked together. I’d honestly not been expecting them to be such a decent match when everyone was speculating that they’d be the couple. But the stuff about them both being outcasts, that worked for me as a reason they’d connect. Both of them being looked after be an older female in their family who stepped in as their mother figures, (who both run Diners, no less). Red ending up falling for someone who runs around with a crossbow. Dorothy having a dog as her only family, then falling in love with a wolf. I can get on board with all of that fun stuff.
BUT…
I thought it was ridiculous that Zelena and Hades fell in TL after one bike ride, and I find it ridiculous that Red and Dorothy fell in TL after one wolf ride.
The writers had been saying forever that they didn’t want their LGBT relationship to be “a very special episode”, and then they ended up going the “friend of Dorothy route” which was so cliche. Not to mention that that character is famous for singing a song about rainbows. And they’re not top tier characters on the show, so it’ll be a one and done, and that’s the end of having an LGBT relationship on the show. All of that makes for a perfect description of “a very special episode”! If they’d taken the time to integrate the characters over multiple episodes, and actually taken the time to show them fall in love in a believable way, it would have sat better with me.
BUT MOST OF ALL…WHAT ABOUT MULAN?! They brought her back to be the third wheel once again. She put on a brave face and gave Red advice to go and tell that woman that she loved her before it was too late, and I’m sure her heart was breaking all over again. She even had to stand by and watch another sleeping curse play out. And this time she was seeing two women find each other and fall in love, which is what she wants for herself, and she’s just there missing out all over again. Bringing her back for that was cruel, it was like rubbing salt into her wounds.
I haven’t decided if the cons outweigh the pros or not. Mostly I’m just disappointed that they waited so long to do this storyline, and then that’s all we got.
OMG. You’re right, this makes sense and it must have been the thing Jaime was refering in her tweet.
Yeah that tweet is certainly looking rather suspect right now.
BUT MOST OF ALL…WHAT ABOUT MULAN?!
Yes why is Mulan even there if not for this? What was the point of bringing her back at all if she has no part to play in the LGBT ‘ship.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes why is Mulan even there if not for this? What was the point of bringing her back at all if she has no part to play in the LGBT ‘ship.
It felt so cruel to Mulan. and it seems history has repeated itself again with her. I agree with Phee about why the relationship worked and how it was believable that they would find a connection with each other based on their upbringing and family history with animals and what not. But even if all of this wasn’t rushed, I don’t understand why they would do this to Mulan all over again after she was crushed in season 2 after two different people found love after the same sleeping curse. And if I was Jamie Chung, I most certainly would have been pissed and that tweet makes a whole lot of sense now. What they have done with Mulan, who is quite a popular Disney princess with characteristics that really should and have resonated on this show, is just character assassination. They clearly have no direction for her and don’t care to discover one. I feel like she’s the only character on the show that has appeared in more than a few episodes and not gotten a flashback. They botched this character through and through. And from someone who really liked the Disney Mulan, and Jamie Chung’s version on Ouat, I can safely say I am utterly disappointed.
Oh, and not to mention the nickname “Kansas” is so bad. They didn’t develop Dorothy at all, so the only thing Red can think of is where she is from, which is hilarious. How original Red…That’s literally the glaring beacon shining on how unrealistically fast this was. Giving nicknames this early, in what really was only a kind-hearted friendship with some sort of connection that should be developed over a few episodes and then get to the TLK, was just silly. Talk about forcing it down our throats. They had to do the relationship now, so they had to come up with cute nicknames. And because how poorly it was done, all the could come up with was Wolfie and Kansas, because that’s literally all they knew about each other. Such an utter joke.
This is the first time I’ve been on this site for a while now, I think.
Sadly, I was just about able to get through the first episode of this season before completely forgetting about it’s existence, until I saw a promo of this episode pop up on my ‘suggested’ list on YouTube. I could see straight away that this was going to be the bone that OUAT has practically been forced to throw for their LGBT fanbase, so I decided to watch.
I’m not sure whether this site has been discussing what went on a month back with the development of the movement #LGBTfansdeservebetter, sparked up by the death of a lesbian character on a show called The 100? I’m sure some of you must have seen it. Basically it calls out TV for the abysmal representation of lesbians and bi female characters, specifically when it comes to the ‘bury your gay’/’dead lesbian syndrome’ tropes.
Now, a month on, all I can say is that I am just so damn jaded by LGBT media representation, and this episode was no exception. The lesbians may not have died at the end but I still have to call out the writers for what this episode was: a badly written, badly planned out ‘romance’ with no soul – a ‘love story’ that not even the most gullible toddler would buy. I’d laugh if I wasn’t just so fed up with it all tbh.
After all the loyalty shown to this show by lesbian and bi women this is what we get? The saddest part is that we are so desperate we will praise the writers, and this romance, for being soooo progressive… … … excuse me while I vomit.
Their kiss was alright, but everything else was a thrown-together mess with no believability or heart. The actresses had zero chemistry and WHY WAS MULAN EVEN THEIR? IS SHE EVEN GAY??? Who the hell knows?!
The 100 may have killed Lexa, but the development of the romance between her and Clarke (the main protagonist of The 100, in case anyone was wondering) was so fantastically written, and so beautifully acted by two actresses that had more chemistry between their pinky toes than the entire cast of OUAT have ever demonstrated, that I just can’t accept clumsy messes like the lesbian so-called ‘romance’ in this episode anymore.
Come find me when Zelena and Belle finally realize they’re both too good for Rumple and shack up together. Until then I’m off to be more bitter than ever whilst hanging out on AO3.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"
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