March 11, 2013 at 10:31 pm #179164
What if Eva was possibly Xavier’s niece or second cousin,and she was to meet and marry Leopold,who was from a different kingdom than either of them,thus uniting kingdoms?but then why sell Henry if that was happening………..Let’s see.Eva was an important guest.Xavier’s kingdom was nearly bankrupt.Henry and Leopold not related.Cora marries Henry.Henry is Xavier’s son.Eva marries Leopold.Cora kills Eva so that Regina could be Queen.Regina marries Leopold.So somehow Eva and Snow were standing in the way of Regina being queen.Cora wanted Snow to be evil to destroy Eva’s legacy(and possibly for an excuse to kill Snow and eliminate Eva’s blood altogether,clearing the way for Regina’s line to continue).Why was Eva an important guest??? 😐 ❓ Maybe she is his grand niece or second cousin,and Leopold,who is from distant kingdom, could only give so much money,not nearly enough to pay off all the debts,therefor he sold his son,Henry?(Seems to me the kingdoms’ economies were bad ever since Rumple fought in the war.The duke was running out of troops,hence the need for teen soldiers.Xavier was in debt or something.Maurice was engaged in a war,which he was losing.George was desperate for money.)Or maybe it’s the other way around:Leopold is the very distant relative and Eva is the one who had the dowry.That makes more sense why he treated her with such…..I don’t know what it was,but he didn’t treat her like his distant relative in my opinion.Anyway,then Leopold marries Eva,and they are ahead of Cora and Henry to get the throne and the united kingdoms due to contract agreements or whatever arrangement Xavier contrived.At the same time he tries to sell Henry to get money to keep the kingdom up and running until Leopold takes over.Someone has to be a distant relative to at least Xavier,otherwise Eva would not be in line for the same crown as Cora.[adrotate group="5"]
Keeper of King George's Coat of arms;Tiny's pickaxe;Belle's bronze vase;Emma Hacker device and true love kiss to Henry;Granny's surcharge on pickles;Snow's "Good will always win;Regina's apple turnover;Gold's pink shirt,Mickey phone,&glasses(1x12);RQ's chess set,and Chip's shattered remainsMarch 11, 2013 at 10:46 pm #179171spinninggoldParticipant
I think Eva was supposed to marry Henry, only a goldspinning miller’s daughter was a better option. Somewhere inbetween I would like to think that Eva got insight on how horrible she treated Cora and what that did to her, repented and changed her ways. For heartless Cora however, such a deed would never be enough, just like Snowwhite can say sorry to Regina for a thousand times about Daniel, and she still won’t forgive her.March 13, 2013 at 2:04 am #179524
You know,that could very well be!!!!!Then as a kind of apology to Eva,Xavier lets her marry Leopold,possible distant foreign relative guy,and for whatever agreement puts them ahead of Cora and Henry to rule.That could give Cora even more reason to kill Eva instead of just that one humiliation!
Keeper of King George's Coat of arms;Tiny's pickaxe;Belle's bronze vase;Emma Hacker device and true love kiss to Henry;Granny's surcharge on pickles;Snow's "Good will always win;Regina's apple turnover;Gold's pink shirt,Mickey phone,&glasses(1x12);RQ's chess set,and Chip's shattered remainsMarch 13, 2013 at 2:22 am #179538JosephineParticipant
Like Bee said, Jane, who wrote the episode, confirmed on twitter that the kingdoms are not connected. Eve could have been a contender for one of the Prince’s hands, but didn’t get him in the end. She doesn’t have to be related at all, just a visiting dignitary.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.March 13, 2013 at 3:07 am #179549
Yeah,you’re right!So….maybe another possibility is that Leopold was from far,far away.Eva married him,making her queen.Cora saw no way to get around the other people ahead of her without a long, bloody war,that would ruin the economy even if she did win;so instead she went after Leopold and Eva’s kingdom,killed Eva,and set Regina up for Leopold.I recant my previous theory(s)! 💡 This one’s much less of a headache!!! : 😀 Makes more sense too.In the Snow/horse/Leopold flashback in 2×15,they said stuff like”long journeys,””wanderings.”And Snow said,”I’m tired of these long searches.”Which kind of implies that Leopold’s search had already been going on a long while before he met Regina.So naturally a search that long would take him far and wide…..right on over to Regina’s neck of the woods…..although does that mean that Cora manipulated all the other women Leopold met before Regina??He did say in 1×18,”I have never met a woman with an interest in my daughter…until now.”Maybe Cora did manipulate at least some of those other women and also manipulated Regina,giving her the exact thing Leopold was looking for:a mother for Snow.And thus,Regina became queen(without a war!).What do you guys think?
Keeper of King George's Coat of arms;Tiny's pickaxe;Belle's bronze vase;Emma Hacker device and true love kiss to Henry;Granny's surcharge on pickles;Snow's "Good will always win;Regina's apple turnover;Gold's pink shirt,Mickey phone,&glasses(1x12);RQ's chess set,and Chip's shattered remainsMarch 13, 2013 at 3:44 am #179558kfchimeraParticipant
@Jessie:Paradoxes of people wrote:
Yeah,so that means Leopold is possibly the distant relative who is,along with Eva,the foreigner, put ahead of Cora and Henry to rule,thereby kindling Cora’s animosity even further……Or is there possibly another way Eva could be in the way of Regina being queen…….. ❓ Confusing…
Yes there is another way. Gold alone is not enough to keep a Kingdom. If Xavier’s kingdom fell in a war, his heirs to the throne would not matter.
This is kind of my convoluted theory for now until the show explains it:
Xavier hinted something about alliances and that there were wars going on. Add in that Rumpel, devious as ever, now hated Cora and still wanted baby Regina. You can imagine he probably set something in motion to topple Xavier’s kingdom, leaving Cora and Henry high and dry in terms of being royalty and being in line for Xavier’s throne.
Meanwhile, Eva (who Xavier described as a princess from a “northern kingdom” so she was not related to them ) marries King Leopold (who does not need to be related to Xavier either). Let’s say Leopold’s Kingdom took over the territory that used to be Xavier’s. Now Eva is Queen of the land that Cora would have had, if that Kingdom still existed.
I also imagine that maybe part of the reason Leopold won the war against Xavier or otherwise took over the territory had something to do with fairies helping the “Good” Queen Eva. And I sort of wonder too about King Midas. Pretty sure Rumpel was involved in him getting the Golden touch. So if Midas used to need gold in trade from Xavier, then Rumpel gave Midas the golden touch power, then suddenly Xavier’s kingdom is pretty weak despite all the gold from Cora, The Kingdom crumbles with no allies. Cora would be pretty frustrated and vengeful at that point, and she would have a lot more reasons to hate Eva, Snow & Rumpel.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-GlassMarch 13, 2013 at 3:50 am #179560
Wow.That’s an awesome theory!!!!Could explain multiple things with one big event!!!!Nice thinking!!!!!March 13, 2013 at 4:18 am #179564kfchimeraParticipant
@Jessie:Paradoxes of people wrote:
Wow.That’s an awesome theory!!!!Could explain multiple things with one big event!!!!Nice thinking!!!!!
😆 Thanks, though it it does seem more likely that the show would go with what you said in your later post. Cora decided rather than killing all of Henry’s relatives to get Xavier’s throne, that she would rather kill just Eva, and have Regina marry Leopold. And then the show will leave a big plothole about Regina’s relatives & Xavier’s kingdom will be forgotten. 😆
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-GlassMarch 13, 2013 at 6:43 am #179581PheeParticipant
Has anyone scrutinised Xavier’s ballroom to see if we’ve seen it before? For a while I’ve been thinking that whatever went down with Cora is how Rumple ended up scoring a big old castle for his very own, but I haven’t been back to check if it matches up. I seem to remember vine like bars on the window of Belle’s room, similar to the bars on that window in Cora’s room in the tower, but haven’t watched Skin Deep in a while, so may just be imagining things.March 13, 2013 at 2:08 pm #179624MyrilParticipant
No, don’t think we’ve seen the room or the castle before, very sure we haven’t seen the crest and colors before.
KFChimera – your idea could work.
It was never said for which kingdom Cora would be 5th in order of succession for becoming queen, let alone which rules of succession would apply (there are different possibilities). But it ‘s safe to assume it was for King Xavier’s kingdom, and probably had little to do with Eva at that point. Unclear is if she meant queen as ruler or just as a title for the wife of a king (term is sometimes unclear), but let’s assume she meant as ruler, it makes more sense. Then order of succession had to be not limited to royal blood line nor to male line. Rules of succession can be rather complicate, it’s not even always the case that the eldest son of the ruling king is the first in order of succession.
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