December 6, 2013 at 12:47 am #228393
Up until this ep, the guy in the cage hasn’t seemed to be a seriously horrible person. But DANG. Dude tried to drown his own son and his only regret in life is that he didn’t hold his head under the water for longer?! HARSH!
I’m happy to accept the reasoning that him having an older son would have switched up who was heir. Illegitimate child or not, Jafar is still of the Sultan’s bloodline, so he gets dibs on the throne. And the Sultan would have to deal with the scandal of it all, and his wife might leave him, and take away the son he already knows and loves. So it was preferable to keep Jafar’s identity a secret. Still, he didn’t have to be quite so harsh in his treatment of him.[adrotate group="5"]December 6, 2013 at 1:01 am #228397TheWatcherParticipant
Didn’t Jafar tell Mizra not to use magic? Does Mizra have magic? Or did I mis-hear the line?
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Didn’t Jafar tell Mizra not to use magic? Does Mizra have magic? Or did I mis-hear the line?
“Save your father, Mirza, and fight me. No magic, just you and me and our bare hands, you remember what that’s like.” I think he was just saying, “Don’t worry, I won’t use magic, so it’ll be a fair fight.”December 6, 2013 at 1:31 am #228405MysteryKat25Participant
I think so too Phee.
Before this ep I liked the guy in the cage. He seemed very threatened by Jafar’s existence and I think it has more to do with reputation than it does with switching up the heir thing. (Typically he wouldn’t be able to, though I suppose we can suspend disbelief for the way of the world in Agrabah maybe but it does seem weird). I feel like he was more insulted that the kid upstaged the heir he wants them to be impressed with.
Why he can’t love him and actually tried to kill him I’m not sure. He seemed so nice before that, but his son was a brat and a coward, and he was bound and determined not to ever love his son who had done nothing to him so I’m wondering what the motivation behind that was for sure.
It probably does come back to the mother in some way but I’m not sure exactly how she fits in. Could it be an anti-magic thing? The mom had it and did something to Jafar and Jafar has it, but the Sultan and Mirza don’t. Perhaps he didn’t know she had powers and considers his son some kind of abomination because of it.
As for Aladdin and Jasmine – I keep trying to figure out how/where they’ll fit in. I really really can’t believe that we won’t get them eventually. I refuse to believe that. And all of this, even with OUATIW, is part of the Once universe and they’re showing us it’s in Agrabah like Sidney. So it’s still part of the world that we’re used to playing in which makes this all very confusing. On the one hand, I’m THRILLED cause it means that Sidney isn’t the only genie. There’s also Cyrus and others, so we haven’t met “our” genie from Aladdin yet.
I’m confused though because I do expect Jasmine’s father to be a sultan in Agrabah. So when does her story take place / how does it fit in? We’ve seen this guy be sultan for agessss and only recently was dethroned and we don’t know who stepped in (Mirza is down for the count) but that was still likely fairly recent.
So how do we have Agrabah and a Sultan but no Jasmine connections? Surely they won’t completely eliminate one of the most popular princesses! So I’m struggling right now, I really am.
I don’t think that Alice and Cyrus are taking the place of them really because it would be a weird Aladdin/genie combo guy + Alice/Jasmine. I’d like to think that they’ll give us Jasmine properly. I’m just not sure where, based on what we know right now, she fits in unless her father wasn’t always the sultan but perhaps took on the job very recently when whatshisname was abducted and his heir killed? It doesn’t seem like Jafar went in and took over himself and claim the throne. He’s much too preoccupied with bothering the Red Queen and trying to hunt down genie lamps/bottles to change the laws of magic. So who’s the new Sultan?
So I’m hopeful that the new sultan who may not ever even be seen on this show, is out there somewhere and his daughter is Jasmine and that we’ll see them eventually.
I’m going to give myself a t-word headache trying to decide if any of this is possible or not. Agrabah should have been under the curse so perhaps the sultan and his daughter and her love and his genie etc etc are in SB somewhere. We don’t know for sure if WL was cursed too but it would help with the age issue if it was.
So hypothetically, a long time ago in Agrabah, Jafar captured his father the sultan and took him to WL. There was great upheaval in Agrabah, they got a new sultan who happens to have a daughter named Jasmine. They are likely in SB unless Agrabah was under the dome (doubtful) so we may see them yet on OUAT.
Meanwhile in WL…ack my head hurts. Were they cursed? Were they not cursed? I’d say 30ish years happened between the flashbacks and now but was there a 30 year pause in the middle of all that? There kinda had to be but then the Alice timeline gets even screwier so I’m confusing myself again. *brain freeze*
I really hope we do see Jasmine and Aladdin though. I’ll be very upset if we don’t get them somewhere eventually!
Don’t get me wrong, I love Alice and Cyrus, and Jafar is a compelling villain and of course I love the Knave, but all this talk of Agrabah and I want to see the real Jasmine and Aladdin!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.December 6, 2013 at 2:15 am #228411
It could well be that Jasmine’s father is the Sultan who replaced Jafar’s father, though I’d expect that the Jasmine/Aladdin story had played out earlier. But I guess we don’t really know how far before present day, (which runs concurrent with OUAT S2 present day) it was that Jafar took his father prisoner. Have they given any hints about that, or do we just have to guess based on how old the characters look? Could we maybe stretch it and say it could have possibly been up to 10 years between the time when Jafar took his father prisoner, and the present day stuff?
So, say about 11 years pre-Curse, Jasmine’s father took over ruling Agrabah, then she met Aladdin, and Jafar was hanging around making life difficult for them, (because Jasmine’s his cousin, her father is his uncle, and he just wants to screw with every royal in his family), then the Curse happened, and they didn’t necessarily get taken to SB, but time was still frozen, (I get the impression that’s the affect the Curse had on various lands, because otherwise how are Ana and Will still the same ages as each other). So they could still be in Agrabah in present day, and could be introduced at some point in OUAT. Or they did get taken to SB, and can be introduced at some point in OUAT. Either way works.
Eric did say he was gonna see Agrabah, and he didn’t seem to be talking about portal hopping, just regular traveling, but it’s not really conclusive, so Agrabah could have been in FTL and directly affected by the Curse (placing Jasmine and Aladdin in SB), or could have been somewhat removed. Either way though, perhaps that could be how they’ll introduce Jasmine and Aladdin in the future, if Eric met them if he ever did make it to Agrabah.December 6, 2013 at 3:04 am #228412MysteryKat25Participant
Good point about Eric! Agree on so many of these questions, I’m racking my brain trying to figure out how it can still be possible but I’m inclined to think that Jasmine is the daughter of the man who became sultan after Jafar went after his father.
With regards to where Agrabah is and how one get to it, I’m inclined to think he went by sea and it was just a different kingdom type thing. Though it does seem to be off in the desert though so not sure exactly how they’ll tie all that in. I can’t remember if Agrabah was specifically on the map of realms or not, but I’m fairly certain there was no portal jumping to get to it. (My brain hurts trying to figure this all out and admittedly I haven’t paid quite as much attention to OUATIW as I do with the main show so I’m not positive).
I like the idea that it was a reasonable chunk of time before the curse and that everyone was under it. Agrabah I’m 99% positive is in the FTL world and not off on its own like WL or NL so that would make sense.
I’m sticking with the next sultan being the one who is Jasmine’s father. She may have been a kid when he took over and was still mostly raised in the palace, but nothing says she had to be born there. I really want to see her and Aladdin someday! It’s tough watching Jafar ride around on a magic carpet when I wanna see my favorite street rat! (Though Jafar does look better on it now than he did when we first saw it! So glad they fixed his hair and the cgi may have *slightly* improved).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.December 6, 2013 at 8:10 am #228421RumplesGirlKeymaster
Though Jafar does look better on it now than he did when we first saw it
Yeah…Jafar is rather good looking now that his hair is straight and silky. Naveen has always been a good looking guy but the hair wasn’t doing him any favors. And man, he can ACT!
About Jasmine and Aladdin, I get the feeling they are sometime in the past. Like maybe the Current Sultan, guy in cage, was their son or grandson."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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