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@Midnight Dreary wrote:
I would be angry at August if he abandoned Emma when he was a teenager or young man, but he was only 7. 7 years old people. He was in a strange land and given responsibilities that no child should be given. He had the weight of taking care of a child on his shoulders when he himself was still a child. I’m sorry, but I can’t be angry at him. Especially after seeing what kind of foster home he was living in. My mother grew up in a foster home and she ran away 3 different times. And you know what, I don’t blame one bit.
Ok but he’s not just some 7 year old he’s freaking Pinocchio! He had to earn his human form by being brave, truthful & unselfish. He knows what it is to be brave when he sacrificed himself to save Geppetto. I won’t pretend to know what it’s like in a foster home but I’d bet that some where when he was thinking how hard is is for him that it was gonna be just as hard for Emma. Whatever they were gonna have to face at least they would have faced it together. That aside ok he’s a kid so he dips, but still he only came back when he himself was affected. That’s when he came back when his personal well being was threatened. If he’d have come back earlier then I’d be more inclined to let him slide on leaving as a 7 year old. There’s a time between when Emma was still a kid who needed if nothing else some one to be there so she wouldn’t be alone on her birthday and when Henry showed up so she wouldn’t be anymore that I can’t see how to justify. Sometime between abandoning Emma and his leg starting to turn into wood he much like the victims of the curse lost who he was, somewhere between 18-35 he didn’t do enough.
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@sjm wrote:
Okay, another “proof” is the skeleton keys. In the book, in Henry’s hands, opening MM door, opening the jail cell — crazy. Emma has to be wondering about that. To me that is probably the most unexplainable thing that has happened that connects to the book and FTL.
But I admit I would be hesitant to believe, but I am also the type person who would be trying to figure out the truth, and so just wouldn’t deny the possibility, adamantly, even if it was beyond reason. The skeleton keys would give me pause, and frankly I would have started trying them on every door in the building to verify that they work on anything. Then I would really be asking a lot of questions, especially since the key shape obviously doesn’t fit a modern day door.
I thought when August showed her his leg that would be the defining moment, but the fact that she couldn’t see it just blew me away. That was an awesome twist by the writers. She can’t even see the truth, because she refuses to believe in even the possibility.
slurpeez108 and Phee really appreciate your insights. I think I agree with you most on what you said.
I think my indignation and anger is not directed so much at August as it is Gepetto for being so selfish that he demanded his boy be saved over MM going with Emma. So short-sighted, but selfishness usually is.
Oh I know this one! This is that frog in boiling water thing! All these things come along gradually so things don’t seem really as off as they are so in the end it’s easier to dismiss.
Although what Gepetto did was selfish for himself and Pinnoc, I can’t say that I blame him, all circumstances considered. All he ever wanted in his life was to have a boy, a real boy. And that was finally granted to him and almost instantly it was about to be taken back. If you could save someone you loved from dying, wouldn’t you? I know I would. It wasn’t the admirable thing to do, but his love for his son blinded him and he couldn’t bare to think he would be responsible for his son’s death. It makes us angry because we know if Snow had gone through, everything would have been different – but then in that case, we wouldn’t have a show 😆
As for Emma, I agree that there are very few things for her to see as hard evidence that she is living with a bunch of Fairy Tale Characters. Like many of you pointed out, we (as the audience) know many more ‘behind the scenes’ details that convinced us. It is easy for us to believe because of all we have seen, hence why we think Emma should believe. But she hasn’t seen it all, and it’s quite true how little hard evidence she has seen. As pointed out, the keys are the only bit of real evidence that links the book and SB together. I think they did throw her off a bit, but she was too busy worrying about MM being set up to think about the keys.
Did she actually ever see the keys in the book? I can’t remember, so many episodes now and I didn’t record them so I can’t look back. Thats a mistake I wont make season 2! 🙂
And yes, most of the people she has heard about FTL from have not been the best – crazy man locked in a house for 28 years spying on a little girl, a 10 year old boy who reads the stories out of a book, and some stranger who just showed up recently in town and is apparently dying. However, out of these I thought that August would be the best chance for her to believe, but the fact that she couldn’t even see his leg shot that down pretty fast. Which leads me to wonder… do you think August is the only one who can see what is happening to him? Or maybe only the believers can?
@steliokontos1 wrote:
Sometime between abandoning Emma and his leg starting to turn into wood he much like the victims of the curse lost who he was, somewhere between 18-35 he didn’t do enough.
Maybe he had no way of finding her before now, so had given up trying? But when his leg started to give him trouble, he was drawn to the place they’d come through to our world, and in turn to nearby Storybrooke, where he found her, and everyone else. It was only then that he realised he could in fact still attempt to fullfill his promise and guide her into believing.
@belleoftheball wrote:
Although what Gepetto did was selfish for himself and Pinnoc, I can’t say that I blame him, all circumstances considered. All he ever wanted in his life was to have a boy, a real boy. And that was finally granted to him and almost instantly it was about to be taken back. If you could save someone you loved from dying, wouldn’t you? I know I would. It wasn’t the admirable thing to do, but his love for his son blinded him and he couldn’t bare to think he would be responsible for his son’s death.
Agreed. Any decent parent would go to ANY lengths to protect the life of their child, so I simply can’t write Geppetto off for doing just that. Also, we saw earlier in the ep how Pinocchio abandoned the raft, letting Geppetto take the life preserver to save himself. When Geppetto woke up, he was grateful to his son for having saved his life. In saving Pinocchio from the curse, he was returning the favour.
@belleoftheball wrote:
Did she actually ever see the keys in the book? I can’t remember, so many episodes now and I didn’t record them so I can’t look back.
I dunno that we’ve ever seen a pic of the keys in the book. Think the only time we saw a key in relation to FTL is was the keys they used to open the box with the snakes that killed Leopold, and that’s something WE saw, not Emma.
@belleoftheball wrote:
Which leads me to wonder… do you think August is the only one who can see what is happening to him? Or maybe only the believers can?
I’ve wondered about that, too. My believe is that those who believe or know about FTL can see it. I bet that if Pin showed Henry his leg, he’d be able to see the wood. Unfortunately I don’t think Pin will come up with that idea and thus try to convince Emma …
If I were in Emma’s position I would be very suspicious of all of these seemingly unconnected people telling me the same crazy story. I think she’s assuming that all of these people are insane but is having trouble rationalizing how it is that every insane person in this town is imagining the exact same fictional world.
I LOVE her reaction in this episode when August is trying to get her to believe. It’s like they both know that she could believe, and she’s made the decision not to because she’s terrified that anyone might rely on her.@Phee wrote:
@steliokontos1 wrote:
Sometime between abandoning Emma and his leg starting to turn into wood he much like the victims of the curse lost who he was, somewhere between 18-35 he didn’t do enough.
Maybe he had no way of finding her before now, so had given up trying? But when his leg started to give him trouble, he was drawn to the place they’d come through to our world, and in turn to nearby Storybrooke, where he found her, and everyone else. It was only then that he realised he could in fact still attempt to fullfill his promise and guide her into believing.
All I heard from his is he found an island to lose himself on and he never gave leaving a second thought to leaving till his leg hurt him. If he would have said to Emma “once I was old enough I started looking for you and it took me years to finally find you here, to finally get back to doing what I was suppose to all along…I’m sorry I never should have left you alone” then that’s something else! 😡
Surayya wrote:He didnt come clean – he didnt tell Emma what he did – we saw a flash back yes, but he never said Im sorry I left you, we are all in this position because I didnt follow through with the promise I made & now you are paying for it – what can I do? How can I make you believe? All he’s done is get frustrated she’s not believing his story & a book full of pictures for crying out loud- how is that her fault.
Actually, August/Pinocchio did come clean to Emma. He didn’t tell her the specific instance in the orphanage, but he did confess it was his role to look out for her. In the scene in the woods, August said to Emma, “I was supposed to be there for you, but I wasn’t. Because I was half way around the world, I got a painful reminder of just how far I’d strayed.”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The illustrations of the characters in the book look exactly like the characters of Storybrooke, how can Emma not be wondering about that?
I had quite a few chances at 7 years old to through my younger siblings to the wolves, yet I did not. If I were alone, yes I would run away. But would I run and leave a helpless infant to suffer it out herself. That would be a huge NO!
I too cannot stand august. Never liked the story of Pinocchio and now I realy don’t like it.
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