Missing it…. WHAT EVIDENCE ????

[hjbau]

@steliokontos1 wrote:

Sometime between abandoning Emma and his leg starting to turn into wood he much like the victims of the curse lost who he was, somewhere between 18-35 he didn’t do enough.steliokontos1

I agree that i am willing to give little Pinocchio some leeway as a seven year old, but eventually he wasn’t that kid anymore and he should have gone to find Emma. He could have still helped her when she was a child at least given her some support. And i am not saying that he can’t decide now to do the right thing for Emma, but it doesn’t even seem that is what he is doing. He still seems to be doing it all just for himself. I really think that characters are doing things too much just for themselves with no regards for the pain and suffering they are causing others and i am hoping that Emma is the one who actually decides to do the right thing even though all these people who are cursed are pretty much a mess.

[edchambers]

I’m curious about how Henry has come to believe. Other than the fact that he is a gullible child – lol!

What steps were taken to cause Mary Margaret to give Henry the book. And where did Mary Margaret get the book in the first place? I would suspect someone (August or Mr. Gold) convinced Mary Margaret to give Henry the book. If not August or Gold, then someone who received a suggestion by August or Gold (possibly Archie as a part of Henry’s therapy sessions).

Keeper of Snow White's Glass Coffin.

[hjbau]

@KalliopeKisees wrote:

I had quite a few chances at 7 years old to through my younger siblings to the wolves, yet I did not. If I were alone, yes I would run away. But would I run and leave a helpless infant to suffer it out herself. That would be a huge NO!

I too cannot stand august. Never liked the story of Pinocchio and now I realy don’t like it.

I give him a little leeway like i said, but i do think that Pinocchio is responsible for leaving Emma and not looking after her like he promised. That was a choice he made and a choice he continued to make later on. I don’t really see anything all that likeable as a character either at this point. I think Pinocchio is likeable so that is still in there, but right now he has to come back a bit more from what he has become, in my opinion.

PS. I really like the idea that the Blue Fairy has her memories and is pulling strings as well. Someone mentioned somewhere that maybe the Blue Fairy’s magic helped Henry come to Emma on her birthday because of the whole blowing out the blue star candle. Maybe not, but it was a good thought.

[surayya]

Ok but he’s not just some 7 year old he’s freaking Pinocchio! He had to earn his human form by being brave, truthful & unselfish. He knows what it is to be brave when he sacrificed himself to save Geppetto. I won’t pretend to know what it’s like in a foster home but I’d bet that some where when he was thinking how hard is is for him that it was gonna be just as hard for Emma. Whatever they were gonna have to face at least they would have faced it together. That aside ok he’s a kid so he dips, but still he only came back when he himself was affected. That’s when he came back when his personal well being was threatened. If he’d have come back earlier then I’d be more inclined to let him slide on leaving as a 7 year old. There’s a time between when Emma was still a kid who needed if nothing else some one to be there so she wouldn’t be alone on her birthday and when Henry showed up so she wouldn’t be anymore that I can’t see how to justify. Sometime between abandoning Emma and his leg starting to turn into wood he much like the victims of the curse lost who he was, somewhere between 18-35 he didn’t do enough.

Yep- My thoughts as well!!! He didn’t come back BEFORE it adversely effected his welfare, so his intention wasn’t to return but to continue living the good life & leave everyone & thing to go hang themselves 😡

Midnight Dreary – my father was given up for adoption with 3 others in his family when he was 3, he also ran away from the orphanage & foster homes many times & actually became a homeless street kid for a while, until he met his best friend (who my brother is named after) & started sleeping under his window at night & being slipped food etc (right up until Grandma stuck her head out the window & asked if he was coming inside or not lol). So No I wouldnt blame him for running away IF it was JUST his own well being at stake BUT as above, he’d been rewarded a real body & life for acting selflessly & bravely ALREADY- he knew more than anyone the difference between right & wrong – he choose to go into the wardrobe, knowing he’d be going to a new place & having to protect Emma- he could have refused to leave his Dad, he knew even then Gep was wrong (he said BUT BF said…) but he still came through AFTER making the promise to keep Emma safe & help her grow up to break the curse.
How many 7yr olds would refuse a life jacket to save their parents – so Pinno is hardly your average 7yr old kid & in the past 7yr olds where like 11 &12yr olds now-days with the responsibilities they were given – think of girls married off at 14-16 yrs as they are considered young women (we’ve added 4-6yrs to what is considered appropriate there, so add 4-6yrs to Pinno age & you get his real time age understandings).
He got told off by one (Very Creepy yes) guy & he decides to bail- not good enough IMO excuse.

[surayya]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Surayya wrote:He didnt come clean – he didnt tell Emma what he did – we saw a flash back yes, but he never said Im sorry I left you, we are all in this position because I didnt follow through with the promise I made & now you are paying for it – what can I do? How can I make you believe? All he’s done is get frustrated she’s not believing his story & a book full of pictures for crying out loud- how is that her fault.

Actually, August/Pinocchio did come clean to Emma. He didn’t tell her the specific instance in the orphanage, but he did confess it was his role to look out for her. In the scene in the woods, August said to Emma, “I was supposed to be there for you, but I wasn’t. Because I was half way around the world, I got a painful reminder of just how far I’d strayed.”

Yeah BUt he didnt say “SORRY” now did he – he just thanks for reminding me about not doing what I said I would, by coming to SB & turning me to wood…..NOT exactly coming clean & not even close to an apology 😡

[surayya]

@KalliopeKisees wrote:

I had quite a few chances at 7 years old to through my younger siblings to the wolves, yet I did not. If I were alone, yes I would run away. But would I run and leave a helpless infant to suffer it out herself. That would be a huge NO!

I too cannot stand august. Never liked the story of Pinocchio and now I realy don’t like it.

Lol 🙂 Agreed!

[surayya]

@hjbau wrote:

I agree that i am willing to give little Pinocchio some leeway as a seven year old, but eventually he wasn’t that kid anymore and he should have gone to find Emma. He could have still helped her when she was a child at least given her some support. And i am not saying that he can’t decide now to do the right thing for Emma, but it doesn’t even seem that is what he is doing. He still seems to be doing it all just for himself. I really think that characters are doing things too much just for themselves with no regards for the pain and suffering they are causing others and i am hoping that Emma is the one who actually decides to do the right thing even though all these people who are cursed are pretty much a mess

Totally agree with this as well! ….. for me, it comes down to what would it take to say get an atheist to believe in God or a die hard religious person or skeptic to believe in Alien’s??? A picture book? A few unrelated people singing the same tune (hello we should all totally believe in Aliens then shouldn’t we if that’s the case as millions say they’ve seen them 🙄 )? What Emma has to go on for believing in the curse is almost nothing at the end of the day aside for a creepy coincidental picture in a book- its nothing that would make any of us believe in the unbelievable if we weren’t already open to it anyway.
Also telling someone who’s had no one their entire life & has major trust issues, that the fate, happiness, lives & fortunes of an ENTIRE town & land rest on their shoulders alone without giving them support & STRONG evidence FIRST it just plain stupidity (esp given Graham- who she had Strong feelings for, dies in her arms- that’d make her feel like it was all her fault he died to boot) 🙄 😡

[nonnie]

SORRY, I do not think Geppeto is wrong to want to save his son…. AS a parent and grandparent I would do anything to protect my family from harm. What makes SNOW / Emma more precious than Gepetto’s son. He has the right to save his son. No one has given any evidence that he should not have been saved. Geppettos other alternative would have been to follow his son to the real world to provide guidance… NOW THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SELFISH.

Skeleton keys…. I have several sets of keys that open multiple doors…. does that mean I would be a suspect for SB? So skeleton keys mean nothing as they exist in the real world.. just cause Regina has a set means nothing other than she could be charged with breaking and entering.

[nonnie]

The illustrations of the characters in the book look exactly like the characters of Storybrooke, how can Emma not be wondering about that?

ILLUSTRATORS often use family members / real people as models for their drawings. Disney use to hire actors to demonstrate movement for his animations….. the characters often looked like the actors that modeled for them.

[eternalflame]

@NONNIE wrote:

SORRY, I do not think Geppeto is wrong to want to save his son…. AS a parent and grandparent I would do anything to protect my family from harm. What makes SNOW / Emma more precious than Gepetto’s son. He has the right to save his son. No one has given any evidence that he should not have been saved. Geppettos other alternative would have been to follow his son to the real world to provide guidance… NOW THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SELFISH.

Skeleton keys…. I have several sets of keys that open multiple doors…. does that mean I would be a suspect for SB? So skeleton keys mean nothing as they exist in the real world.. just cause Regina has a set means nothing other than she could be charged with breaking and entering.

I completely agree. I would do anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to save my child or loved one. Geppetto did what any parent would do. It’s easy to judge until you’re placed in that position.

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