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June 17, 2012 at 11:14 pm #148857
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ParticipantI’d like to know whether or not the Blue Fairy told the war council about who the real creator of the curse was. They spent so much of their time and energy trying to defeat Regina that Rumpel didn’t even pop up on their radar.
Wait, scratch that. Cinderella caught Rumpel, didn’t she? Oh, nevermind then. 😆 But I’d still like to know if the Charmings know who the real the creator of the curse is. Because if they don’t, they’ll just keep going after Regina while Rumpel continues to work in the background undetected.
[adrotate group="5"]June 18, 2012 at 1:31 am #148861antbee
Participant@Beauty & the Beast wrote:
If the Blue Fairy is in fact good and pure, then the writers need to do a better job at demonstrating that. Her agreement with Gepetto was blantantly wrong. At least Gepetto was trying to protect his son. What was the Blue Fairy fighting for? I don’t buy that Gepetto was the only one who could have built that wardrobe. She could have easily found another person to do it.
That’s a good point. They do need to do a better job of demonstrating whether she’s really “good” or not because I betting the Charmings aren’t going to be too happy when they finally find out about her leaving out crucial information about the wardrobe and how many could actually fit in. Also, I agree why did it have to be Gepetto that did it. Maybe it’s just a plot hole, but since she’s magical why couldn’t she make a wardrobe or just get someone else to do it.
Wait, scratch that. Cinderella caught Rumpel, didn’t she? Oh, nevermind then. But I’d still like to know if the Charmings know who the real the creator of the curse is. Because if they don’t, they’ll just keep going after Regina while Rumpel continues to work in the background undetected.
I never thought about that before either, but it does seem like she left out vital information again because she never told anyone that she knows who was really behind the Curse either because she feels guilty for her part in it perhaps or because she has another motive. Not saying that it could have been stopped if everyone had known that it was really Rumple who was behind it, but everyone on the war council should have been privy to that information, imo.
June 18, 2012 at 2:06 am #148862Josephine
ParticipantEmma knows now that Gold created the curse. He admitted it to her in this shop in the finale. I don’t think she’s going to keep that bit of information a secret.
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June 18, 2012 at 3:00 am #148864elle
ParticipantEven that deal she made with Gepetto never truly bothered me. I think she felt a bit of sympathy for him–he lost his parents, and he only had his son and Jiminy left in the world. He wanted to do all he could to keep them all safe, and she knew him well enough it seemed. I doubt she would have done the deal with anyone else. And maybe Gepetto was one of the only people–he used the same wood to make Pinocchio. Perhaps it must be handled in a special way–it is never fully stated, so this is just a guess.
The writers haven’t done a horrible job–but there is a lot that is needed to explain. Why (for example) didn’t she go with Bae to explain to Rumpelstiltskin about the bean and make sure he went in through the portal? Or why didn’t she ever help Regina during her years of misery?
June 18, 2012 at 8:14 am #148871Daniel J. Lewis
Keymaster@Josephine wrote:
Emma knows now that Gold created the curse. He admitted it to her in this shop in the finale. I don’t think she’s going to keep that bit of information a secret.
Oh yes, I forgot about that. Why is the finale such a blur to me? I loved the episode, but only a few key moments stick out to me. The rest is just one big fuzzy blur. 😆
But I can’t wait to see the tension between Mr. Gold, Regina and the rest of the town. The truth has been revealed and now everyone will know who their true enemies are. Having tsaid that, I can’t help but think that Mr. Gold will find a way to redirect the town’s anger towards Regina.
June 19, 2012 at 7:31 am #148893thedarkone
ParticipantGuys, my brain just exploded with a ton of new theories. A few members made some very interesting posts in another thread about Rumpel’s role in the final battle, and I thought I’d bring them over here for you guys to debate over. 😀
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
^THIS. I’ve been wondering about the strength of the borders between the worlds for quite some time now. A curse as powerful as the Dark Curse would have seriously damaged the lines between our reality and the next. I hope we get more insight into that next season. That might be the “final battle” that Rumpel was talking about. Why would Rumpel want to fight an Apocalyspe immediately after he finds his son? He made the curse so that he could find his son, so why would he attach an Apocalypse onto it? It makes no sense. But I could easily see the bleeding of worlds into one another as the big “final battle” that he referring to. That definitely sounds definitely sounds like an Apocalypse.
@A Chipped Cup wrote:
Thank God I wasn’t the only thinking this. You’re absolutely right. The main objective of the curse is to find Baelfire. That’s the real reason why the curse was created and put into place. So, if Rumpel’s main objective is to find his son, then why would then turn around and create a magical World War III? Rumpel wants to be reunited with his son so that he can have his “happy ending,” and a big finale battle between good and evil doesn’t sound practical to me.
I think Midnight Dreary and Lil’Red are definitely onto something. In the end, the fight won’t between Rumpel, Regina and The Charmings, it will be between all the different worlds and dimentions. I think that’s the real reason why the writers introduced the concept of different worlds in “Hat Trick.” It was setting us up for what’s come in the future.
@TheDarkOne wrote:
Great theories everyone! I’d also like to add that the real reason why Rumpel brought magic into the world is because he knows that the lines between each reality are fading and that impending war is certain. So, in an effort to defend this reality, he brought magic into the world so that Storybrooke would have a line of defense against all the different worlds. Because when you really think about it, why would Rumpel want more power? We saw in “The Return” that he was ready to give up his powers and lust for magic. He gave August the dagger to show him just how sincere his intentions were. So, why would he all of a sudden do a complete 180 and decide to go after more power? It dosn’t make any sense. And I also don’t think that Rumpel needs magic to find his son. Unless Baelfire is trapped in some mystical tomb burried miles under the Earth, than magic is not needed for this task.
So, with those theories discredited, what’s left? I think Lil’Red and Midnight Dreary are correct in their assessment that the worlds are probably slowly dissolving and seeping into one another. And if that’s the case, then magic is going to be needed in order to defend Storybrooke. The complete dissolution of all worlds and dimensions is definitely Apocalyptic.
I also believe that the 20 doors inside of Jefferson’s hat will be the main players in the final battle. Those will be the worlds who’ll “take the battlefield”
June 19, 2012 at 8:05 am #148895a_desperate_soul
Participant^ I just finished reading through all of the theories and WOW. I hope you guys are right. I’d hate for this whole thing to be about Storybrooke. I’d love for the show to go outside of Storybrooke and Fairytale land.
June 20, 2012 at 9:58 pm #148956kirkola
ParticipantI don’t think that Bae kissing Rumpel would work. The love between a child and parent is pure, sure. But it’s not necessarily “true love”. It’s evident that Regina loved Henry in her own way, but her kiss would not have revived him. So there is a limit to how the parent/child “true love’s kiss” works.
It also assumes that at no time Rumpel kissed Bae during the time after receiving the curse. I know it was another time and parents might not have shown affection for their children like they do today, but it implies that there was no kiss goodnight or at any other time. Plus, it’s possible, as hinted at, that Bae wasn’t in fact Rumpel’s, making the parent/child “true love;s kiss” moot.
I’m curious to know if the “true love’s kiss” has to be an actual kiss or if it can manifest it some other way, like laying their life on the line for someone they love. What I mean is Charming took an arrow to break the curse/potion that Snow drank to forget. And if that’s the case, then Rumpel might have broken the curse by following Bae.
Finally, and I know these thoughts are a bit jumbled, but there is a matter of when “true love’s kiss” works and when it doesn’t. Snow and David kissed for half the season with no affect whatsoever. So there has to be more to the “true love’s kiss” than simply kissing someone. Especially since the Savior (Emma) has managed to kiss two different people (Graham/Huntsman & Henry) and break the curse for them.
July 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm #149427eternalflame
Participant@TheDarkOne wrote:
Guys, my brain just exploded with a ton of new theories. A few members made some very interesting posts in another thread about Rumpel’s role in the final battle, and I thought I’d bring them over here for you guys to debate over. 😀
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
^THIS. I’ve been wondering about the strength of the borders between the worlds for quite some time now. A curse as powerful as the Dark Curse would have seriously damaged the lines between our reality and the next. I hope we get more insight into that next season. That might be the “final battle” that Rumpel was talking about. Why would Rumpel want to fight an Apocalyspe immediately after he finds his son? He made the curse so that he could find his son, so why would he attach an Apocalypse onto it? It makes no sense. But I could easily see the bleeding of worlds into one another as the big “final battle” that he referring to. That definitely sounds definitely sounds like an Apocalypse.
@A Chipped Cup wrote:
Thank God I wasn’t the only thinking this. You’re absolutely right. The main objective of the curse is to find Baelfire. That’s the real reason why the curse was created and put into place. So, if Rumpel’s main objective is to find his son, then why would then turn around and create a magical World War III? Rumpel wants to be reunited with his son so that he can have his “happy ending,” and a big finale battle between good and evil doesn’t sound practical to me.
I think Midnight Dreary and Lil’Red are definitely onto something. In the end, the fight won’t between Rumpel, Regina and The Charmings, it will be between all the different worlds and dimentions. I think that’s the real reason why the writers introduced the concept of different worlds in “Hat Trick.” It was setting us up for what’s come in the future.
@TheDarkOne wrote:
Great theories everyone! I’d also like to add that the real reason why Rumpel brought magic into the world is because he knows that the lines between each reality are fading and that impending war is certain. So, in an effort to defend this reality, he brought magic into the world so that Storybrooke would have a line of defense against all the different worlds. Because when you really think about it, why would Rumpel want more power? We saw in “The Return” that he was ready to give up his powers and lust for magic. He gave August the dagger to show him just how sincere his intentions were. So, why would he all of a sudden do a complete 180 and decide to go after more power? It dosn’t make any sense. And I also don’t think that Rumpel needs magic to find his son. Unless Baelfire is trapped in some mystical tomb burried miles under the Earth, than magic is not needed for this task.
So, with those theories discredited, what’s left? I think Lil’Red and Midnight Dreary are correct in their assessment that the worlds are probably slowly dissolving and seeping into one another. And if that’s the case, then magic is going to be needed in order to defend Storybrooke. The complete dissolution of all worlds and dimensions is definitely Apocalyptic.
I also believe that the 20 doors inside of Jefferson’s hat will be the main players in the final battle. Those will be the worlds who’ll “take the battlefield”
I love all of these theories. It would give everyone’s storylines greater importance. This show needs to go out in a bang, and a simple little civil wa between Regina and Rumpel isn’t enough. I like the idea of the other worlds coming into play.
July 7, 2012 at 12:11 am #149753an empty heart
Participant@TheDarkOne wrote:
Guys, my brain just exploded with a ton of new theories. A few members made some very interesting posts in another thread about Rumpel’s role in the final battle, and I thought I’d bring them over here for you guys to debate over. 😀
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
^THIS. I’ve been wondering about the strength of the borders between the worlds for quite some time now. A curse as powerful as the Dark Curse would have seriously damaged the lines between our reality and the next. I hope we get more insight into that next season. That might be the “final battle” that Rumpel was talking about. Why would Rumpel want to fight an Apocalyspe immediately after he finds his son? He made the curse so that he could find his son, so why would he attach an Apocalypse onto it? It makes no sense. But I could easily see the bleeding of worlds into one another as the big “final battle” that he referring to. That definitely sounds definitely sounds like an Apocalypse.
@A Chipped Cup wrote:
Thank God I wasn’t the only thinking this. You’re absolutely right. The main objective of the curse is to find Baelfire. That’s the real reason why the curse was created and put into place. So, if Rumpel’s main objective is to find his son, then why would then turn around and create a magical World War III? Rumpel wants to be reunited with his son so that he can have his “happy ending,” and a big finale battle between good and evil doesn’t sound practical to me.
I think Midnight Dreary and Lil’Red are definitely onto something. In the end, the fight won’t between Rumpel, Regina and The Charmings, it will be between all the different worlds and dimentions. I think that’s the real reason why the writers introduced the concept of different worlds in “Hat Trick.” It was setting us up for what’s come in the future.
@TheDarkOne wrote:
Great theories everyone! I’d also like to add that the real reason why Rumpel brought magic into the world is because he knows that the lines between each reality are fading and that impending war is certain. So, in an effort to defend this reality, he brought magic into the world so that Storybrooke would have a line of defense against all the different worlds. Because when you really think about it, why would Rumpel want more power? We saw in “The Return” that he was ready to give up his powers and lust for magic. He gave August the dagger to show him just how sincere his intentions were. So, why would he all of a sudden do a complete 180 and decide to go after more power? It dosn’t make any sense. And I also don’t think that Rumpel needs magic to find his son. Unless Baelfire is trapped in some mystical tomb burried miles under the Earth, than magic is not needed for this task.
So, with those theories discredited, what’s left? I think Lil’Red and Midnight Dreary are correct in their assessment that the worlds are probably slowly dissolving and seeping into one another. And if that’s the case, then magic is going to be needed in order to defend Storybrooke. The complete dissolution of all worlds and dimensions is definitely Apocalyptic.
I also believe that the 20 doors inside of Jefferson’s hat will be the main players in the final battle. Those will be the worlds who’ll “take the battlefield”
Please God. Please let this theory come true!!!
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