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^I hope those theories come true too. It would definitely up the stakes and add an extra element of danger to the situtation. Because right now, the two main villains are Rumpel and Regina. And we already know what their main objectives are. Rumpel wants to find Bae and Regina wants to get revenge on Snow. These are both selfish motives as opposed to Apocalyptic, end of the world motives. If the whole story is soley about those two motivations, then the story will lose an element of danger. We’ve already grown too emotionally attached to Regina and Rumpel. We know their backstories and their motivations, and they’ve become more sympathetic in our eyes. So, it’ll be difficult to view them as real, terrifying villains. I can’t fear someone who I already love. So, the theory of the other worlds bleeding into Storybrooke would give the story a real villain.
[adrotate group="5"]@Midnight Dreary wrote:
^I hope those theories come true too. It would definitely up the stakes and add an extra element of danger to the situtation. Because right now, the two main villains are Rumpel and Regina. And we already know what their main objectives are. Rumpel wants to find Bae and Regina wants to get revenge on Snow. These are both selfish motives as opposed to Apocalyptic, end of the world motives. If the whole story is soley about those two motivations, then the story will lose an element of danger. We’ve already grown too emotionally attached to Regina and Rumpel. We know their backstories and their motivations, and they’ve become more sympathetic in our eyes. So, it’ll be difficult to view them as real, terrifying villains. I can’t fear someone who I already love. So, the theory of the other worlds bleeding into Storybrooke would give the story a real villain.
It would also bring the Mad Hatter and his magical hat back into the game. The writers introduced the concept of other worlds and dimensions for a reason. I think they’ll play a major part in the final battle.
That also puts Jefferson in a very interesting position. Jefferson is now the most sought after ally in Storybrooke. He has a genuinely powerful weapon: His hat. He has a way to escape. He has a way to abandon this whole mess. And I think Mr. Gold got lucky when Regina betrayed Jefferson in the finale. Now, Mr. Gold has a decent chance at gaining Jefferson as an ally.
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@Midnight Dreary wrote:
^I hope those theories come true too. It would definitely up the stakes and add an extra element of danger to the situtation. Because right now, the two main villains are Rumpel and Regina. And we already know what their main objectives are. Rumpel wants to find Bae and Regina wants to get revenge on Snow. These are both selfish motives as opposed to Apocalyptic, end of the world motives. If the whole story is soley about those two motivations, then the story will lose an element of danger. We’ve already grown too emotionally attached to Regina and Rumpel. We know their backstories and their motivations, and they’ve become more sympathetic in our eyes. So, it’ll be difficult to view them as real, terrifying villains. I can’t fear someone who I already love. So, the theory of the other worlds bleeding into Storybrooke would give the story a real villain.
It would also bring the Mad Hatter and his magical hat back into the game. The writers introduced the concept of other worlds and dimensions for a reason. I think they’ll play a major part in the final battle.
That also puts Jefferson in a very interesting position. Jefferson is now the most sought after ally in Storybrooke. He has a genuinely powerful weapon: His hat. He has a way to escape. He has a way to abandon this whole mess. And I think Mr. Gold got lucky when Regina betrayed Jefferson in the finale. Now, Mr. Gold has a decent chance at gaining Jefferson as an ally.
I completely agree. I think we’re going to see a case “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” with Mr. Gold and Jefferson.
I don’t know if anyone has brought this up before, but…
It’s always bothered me that Zoso didn’t have eccentric mannerisms or voice as the Dark One: he could easily be passed off as a regular guy. At first watch, I passed this off as Rumple being the Dark One for a longer period of time + guilt = a delightful amount of madness…now, I’m not so sure.
Could Rumple’s voice, behavior, etc. after Baelfire left but pre-curse all have been a ruse to keep people at bay? You’d be less likely to seek out a man with dark powers, but someone who isn’t even human, an ‘imp’, would be even more dangerous. He had centuries to cultivate this image. As the people who remembered who he had been died out, the new story of a demon, beast, imp that terrorized deals could have started. Besides, what is most likely to catch on as a story to pass on to children: this formerly sweet spinner was a coward, became the dark one, killed people, lost his son, continued being bad or an ancient being tricks people into deals/killed people. Take away his humanity, and you have a villain worthy of early oral storytelling.I think he’d even want to get lost in the story, to have people forget about Baelfire and who he was. At the very least, less people would be bothering him and/or trying to get his dagger…
@Lil’Red wrote:
I don’t know if anyone has brought this up before, but…
It’s always bothered me that Zoso didn’t have eccentric mannerisms or voice as the Dark One: he could easily be passed off as a regular guy. At first watch, I passed this off as Rumple being the Dark One for a longer period of time + guilt = a delightful amount of madness…now, I’m not so sure.
Could Rumple’s voice, behavior, etc. after Baelfire left but pre-curse all have been a ruse to keep people at bay? You’d be less likely to seek out a man with dark powers, but someone who isn’t even human, an ‘imp’, would be even more dangerous. He had centuries to cultivate this image. As the people who remembered who he had been died out, the new story of a demon, beast, imp that terrorized deals could have started. Besides, what is most likely to catch on as a story to pass on to children: this formerly sweet spinner was a coward, became the dark one, killed people, lost his son, continued being bad or an ancient being tricks people into deals/killed people. Take away his humanity, and you have a villain worthy of early oral storytelling.I think he’d even want to get lost in the story, to have people forget about Baelfire and who he was. At the very least, less people would be bothering him and/or trying to get his dagger…
I like this theory especially if Rumple isn’t in Henry’s book. I guess we’ll find out next season. If Rumple isn’t in there and a certain other character isn’t either, I think Bae wrote the book and somehow got it to Mary Margaret. If Rumple isn’t in there, but the other character is then I go back to the theory that Rumple wrote it.
Rumple must at least be mentioned in the book because it had the picture of when Charming and Snow went into the mine to talk to Rumple. It could be Rumple is only mentioned by name such as so and so made a deal with Rumplestilskin and there are no pictures of him so Henry didn’t recognise him in Storybrooke.
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Keeper of FelixI just can’t see Baelfire writing the book: most of the stories included happened centuries after he left – I can’t see how he would know them. Since I believe he did land in a world without magic, the chance of a plot device intervention doesn’t seem likely either. Then again, the only options I can add to the table are the Blue Fairy or Rumple: since neither had their memories at the point of the books creation, that seems just as unlikely. The mystery of Henry’s book and Dr. Whale’s identity better deliver next season, because right now I have no idea.
Hang on, if whoever/whatever made the book left it for Mary Margaret to find, knowing she’d give it to Henry (who was the only person not effected by the curse in storybooke) then this thing must have also known that Henry was the Savior’s son, right? 😮
Still not convinced Rumple’s in the book, but maybe he is as his ‘imp’ character in a couple stories. Perhaps this is why Henry couldn’t place him. Even though I think Henry warned Emma not to make deals with Gold at some point (Price of Gold??), which would have been a dead give away IF Rumple’s dealings were all mentioned!, Gold is probably nicer to Henry then anyone else in Storybrooke. With what Henry knows about Gold: limp, antiques, suits, cane, Scottish, owns the town, and calls most people ‘dearies’, I can kind of see why he hasn’t figured out that THIS GUY was the imp in the jail cell.
I have no idea what side of the fence Gold will sit in regards to Jefferson. On one hand, he freed Belle. On the other, he knew Belle was in there. It’s still a wildcard, in my opinion. Whatever Jefferson’s story, we’ll be getting it the first half of the season as he’s filming Captain America in the second half.
I’ve wandered about Rumple being an Imp, too, and not Zozo. My conclusion was that maybe it affects people differently. Attacks their weaknesses. Rumple was known as a coward who never stood up to anyone. He wasn’t the alpha-male type, so when he became the Dark One, it transformed him into this confident creature that wasn’t afraid of anything. Plus, we don’t know how long Zozo was the Dark One. Could have been centuries, or could have just been 20 years. We do know that Rumple has been the Dark One for centuries.
Also notice that the longer he goes on the more monster like he became. I don’t know if it was planned by “the powers that be” or just adjustments in makeup as the season went on, but in the pilot he was insane and heavily made up. When he showed up as Mr. Gold, it was really a shocking transformation…from insane monster to suave businessman. In the his first days as the dark one he’s just a little sparkly and dressed as a peasant. And then when he falls in love he’s very sparkly, but still looking a little human. After he discovers Belle is dead, it seems to be a turning point. Like he went into turbo-speed with the curse and finding Bae. He’d lost one person he loved, he’s going find the other against all odds.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
I’m guessing Rumple wrote the book as part of his plan. He needed Regina to enact the curse to bring him to this “land without magic” but once here he needed Emma to break the curse so he would be free to find Bae. Getting the book to Henry at a time when he was old enough to be confused by the frozen time in Storybrooke and frustrated with Regina because she couldn’t explain it to him, yet young enough to accept the fairy tale explanation would convince Henry that Regina really was the Evil Queen and that would in turn drive Henry to search out the only other person who could protect him from Regina: his biological mother.
In fact, I suspect Rumple’s plan goes back even further. He needed to find a person bitter enough to enact the curse since he himself obviously wasn’t willing to sacrifice “the thing he loved most”. Was it just convenient for him that Regina came along or did he set up all the events we saw in “The Stable Boy” to create an emotionally damaged Regina who would be evil enough to enact the curse for him? I’m guessing he may have been taking children for generations looking for one who could grow up to implement his Dark Curse until he encountered Regina’s mother, who I think most of us assume is the miller’s daughter from the original tale of Rumplestiltskin. If this hypothesis is right, now that Rumple knows what Regina did to Belle, imagine how the conflict between them will escalate if Regina finds out he was responsible for getting Cora to kill Daniel.
Oh, and if Bae does turn out to be Henry’s father, then Rumple and Regina will also both be fighting over him, in a three-way battle with Emma!
@Lil’Red wrote:
I just can’t see Baelfire writing the book: most of the stories included happened centuries after he left – I can’t see how he would know them. Since I believe he did land in a world without magic, the chance of a plot device intervention doesn’t seem likely either. Then again, the only options I can add to the table are the Blue Fairy or Rumple: since neither had their memories at the point of the books creation, that seems just as unlikely. The mystery of Henry’s book and Dr. Whale’s identity better deliver next season, because right now I have no idea.
That’s true I can’t quite place that in there, but maybe Baelfire had some kind of magical flashback type of thing (well not really a flashback more like a magical vision) when he came into contact with Emma and/or August.
I guess it’s possible that the Blue Fairy had her memories, but I don’t think so at this time. Plus, if Rumple isn’t in the book, I think that rules her out as the author unless she wants to keep the part about her helping send Bae to this world secret because of some kind of hidden agenda. Likewise, I guess it’s possible that the Curse simply wrote the book in order to get Henry to believe in the stories and bring Emma to town, but I don’t know how the Curse would explain August knowing how to put his own story into it. (I guess it’s plausible that he found out about the book from Henry in a cut scene because I’m also unclear how he knew about Henry’s book in the first place.) Since he had the tools in place though to add his story, I think someone must have told him ahead of time about the book’s existence.
Hang on, if whoever/whatever made the book left it for Mary Margaret to find, knowing she’d give it to Henry (who was the only person not effected by the curse in storybooke) then this thing must have also known that Henry was the Savior’s son, right? 😮
That’s what makes me think that if an actual person wrote the book and not the Curse, it was most likely Bae. How he got into Storybrooke undetected to give Mary Margaret the book, I do not know yet. Well that and basically how August came to know about the book, since I do think that Baelfire and August know each other, I’m not sure to what extent, but I believe that Baelfire shared details about his life story which August used to fool Rumple into thinking that he was Bae, because I don’t think the Blue Fairy would have intimate knowledge about Rumple’s back story. Plus, if she was the one that told August the information, it makes her seem like she was in on the whole plan to fool Rumple, which I don’t think she would be if she were a good fairy, since it would require Pinocchio to lie.
Still not convinced Rumple’s in the book, but maybe he is as his ‘imp’ character in a couple stories. Perhaps this is why Henry couldn’t place him. Even though I think Henry warned Emma not to make deals with Gold at some point (Price of Gold??), which would have been a dead give away IF Rumple’s dealings were all mentioned!, Gold is probably nicer to Henry then anyone else in Storybrooke. With what Henry knows about Gold: limp, antiques, suits, cane, Scottish, owns the town, and calls most people ‘dearies’, I can kind of see why he hasn’t figured out that THIS GUY was the imp in the jail cell.
I’m not convinced that Rumple’s story and his name are actually in Henry’s book at this time. He could just be an “imp” character like you say that way Henry wouldn’t be able to connect Mr. Gold specifically with Rumple. Just because Henry didn’t want Emma to have to owe anything to Mr. Gold, doesn’t necessarily mean that he found out later that Gold was Rumple although is doesn’t mean that he didn’t find out either, because Gold already had a bad enough reputation that could be why Henry warned Emma, and not because he knew Gold was Rumple.
Spoilering just in case,
I also wonder if a certain swaggering like Mick Jagger character has his story in Henry's book.
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