November 16, 2014 at 3:11 pm #290306PriceofMagicParticipant
In Snow drifts, Belle was wearing her blue dress and seemed to be at least on some level of comfort with Rumple enough to banter with him “you could ask nicely”. Rumple’s “you’re telling me I fall for the help” line could also be because he’s already started to fall for Belle and he’s just trying to throw others off the scent as it were.
I think it’s possible that at least 2 months if not more have passed between Belle meeting Anna and the start of Skin Deep since Maurice called upon Rumple which suggests that he was literally their last hope in the ogre war. Plus Belle was engaged to Gaston in Skin Deep when she wasn’t in The apprentice. Gaston would’ve needed time to prove himself in order to win Belle’s hand in marriage (unless the engagement was a war strategy to secure fighters from another town as allies).
We know Belle was at the dark castle during the events of Snow Falls which puts Frozen and the beginning scene of Skin Deep before then. We don’t know how long Elsa was in the urn or how it got back to Rumple yet.
The curtains are a major factor, especially since there was an important scene of Belle opening them which literally and metaphorically brought life to Rumple’s life. Lacey was a big continuity error with the curtains. I think there is a time jump both before and after the Belle opens the curtains scene.[adrotate group="5"]
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixNovember 16, 2014 at 4:32 pm #290313
There definitely is, and a huge debate has raged (in this very thread, I believe) about where the curtains scene fits in with Lacey.
Despite the fact that the curtains are open for Anna and Zelena (grr, I suspect this was a visual decision rather than a storytelling one), I still hold onto the theory that the curtains scene precedes Robin Hood Hunting. However, I don’t think there’s any definitive evidence one way or the other in the show yet (and the lack of curtains evidence makes this worse).
As for where Snow Falls falls…well, even before this I was pretty sure based on other episodes that Snow Falls had to be during Skin Deep. I did a whole bunch of maneuvering to figure it out, but it’s already up on the timeline that way if you want to look. Basically, I have those events happening about 2 weeks before Belle leaves the castle.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingFebruary 5, 2015 at 8:09 am #295405
Been a while since I had progress to report, but:
-Everything from s3 is now timelined.
-All dates have been changed to match the Land Without Magic dates, since we know they are synchronous and enough dates are set in canon to make educated guesses now.
-Adjustments to Snow’s age and Eva’s age have been made in light of information from S3 and S4 (Snow is 10 when Daniel dies, Eva is 16–a guess but a little older than she would have been based on earlier guesses–when she meets Leopold). Regina’s age is also adjusted, to 19 now when Daniel dies, with Cora at 20 when Zelena is born.
–Flashback events from Snow Falls have been expanded out to parallel better with the Alternate History from Snow Drifts and There’s No Place Like Home. All events from the alternate history are prefaced with “Alternate History” to clarify which version of the timeline they exist in; parallel events are, as much as possible, recorded in the same place.
–There are now over 500 entries on the site timeline.
–There are now 3051 entries on my scary spreadsheet timeline.
Work will commence on S4 as time allows. I’d love to have 4A done before 4B hits but I don’t believe that will happen.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingFebruary 7, 2015 at 6:24 pm #295515Jiminy’s JournalParticipant
I’ve always been under the impression that Regina was 28 when Daniel died, based on the following dialog from “The Thing You Love Most”:
Maleficent: Weren’t you about the same age when you were to be married, before she ruined it all? Yes, you were.
Regina: Yes, it was about the same age you were when that Sleeping Beauty got the best of you, my dear Maleficent.
Interestingly, this would also place Regina’s birth year in the same year Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs came out, because 1983-28=1955 (Snow White’s birth year), 1955+10=1965 (Daniel’s death year), and 1965-28=1937.February 7, 2015 at 6:56 pm #295518
I agree and I like that…but that makes Regina 18 years older than Snow. I’m not sure there’s that big a difference in their ages. As that statement was made in the second episode (around the same time that Snow accused Regina of poisoning her with an apple because she thought Snow was prettier than her, which doesn’t fit into our knowledge of things now at all), I tend to give it slightly less weight than other evidence. Looking at other people who were around in that period–Eva, Leo, Henry, Cora, and Zelena most specifically…
Would you buy adding another decade to their lives from the estimates I made?
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingFebruary 7, 2015 at 7:06 pm #295520
Okay. Emma says she’s the same age as her parents. That makes Snow’s age 28ish when time is frozen. Maybe she’s only 27 when she marries Charming though? We know her birthday is in winter, probably early March (I have March 7th but think it should be March 3rd for various reasons).
That only buys a year but maybe.February 7, 2015 at 7:10 pm #295521
Mrgh. I suck at math. Currently I have Snow at 27 when the curse is cast. I’m going to have to look at how I calculated that.February 7, 2015 at 7:23 pm #295522
If Snow is 28 when Emma is born, she’s 27 when she marries David. If Regina is 27 when Daniel dies, that makes her 45 when the curse is cast, and puts her birth year in 1939 (which sadly doesn’t correspond to the nice Disney Headcanon). 28 and 28 is doable (means moving around more dates, and I think the 0th year is what keeps throwing me off since I have to do negative numbers to work back from the curse constantly) but also makes Regina that nice 47 in frozen time and means she’s now almost 50. …which is about how old I have Rumple when he becomes the Dark One.
Between the fact that Regina does seem younger than Mr. Gold by more than a couple of years and Young Regina just seems younger than Emma at 28…I dunno.
But Snow at 28 when the curse is cast is also problematic because it means that 15 years pass between Regina’s marriage to Leo and most of the action we’ve seen of Bandit Snow. We know at least 8-10 years passed before Regina killed Leo, but it is a lot of empty time with things all crowded up in the three years before the curse.
Eh, it’s numbers. I’ll play with them and see what they look like.February 7, 2015 at 7:46 pm #295524
Okay, I changed the numbers to go with the 1937 date because it IS a cool date and the show canon strongly supports it. It’s still flawed and I don’t know what A&E would say if you told them how old they indicated everyone is right now…but….it’s on both timelines.February 8, 2015 at 12:36 am #295535Jiminy’s JournalParticipant
Okay, I changed the numbers to go with the 1937 date because it IS a cool date and the show canon strongly supports it. It’s still flawed and I don’t know what A&E would say if you told them how old they indicated everyone is right now…but….it’s on both timelines.
Yay! What are the chances that Wonderland events will eventually be put on the timeline? If it helps, I’ve always taken “One Year Earlier” to mean “One year (and 28 Curse years) earlier.”
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