My timeline (in progress)

[RumplesGirl]

Well, I disagree about the curtain scene.
It was clearly wintery when they went looking for Robin Hood, given how they were both dressed. Belle opens the curtain because it’s almost spring, time to let in the light.
I really do think it’s was a massive production error on the part of the show.
I think they were supposed to be always nailed down, it’s a metaphor.

EDIT

In my head here’s the events. Feel free to disagree!

1) Belle goes with Rumple and he shows her to her “room”
2) Almost the next day, Belle serves him tea and breaks the cup
3) Robin Hood and the events of Lacey come (perhaps a month into her being there)
4) Curtain scene
5) He lets her go and the other events of Skin Deep

[Keb]

Well, it can be cold pretty late in spring, too, depending on where you are–and they’re up in some mountains. I think Robin Hood showed up about a week into her stay there, since Rumple says she’s crying night after night. I looked back at the curtain scene and there’s nothing that forces it to happen after Robin Hood that I can find.

The rest of Skin Deep clearly happens a couple months later. I think the curtain scene could happen within the first week though.

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[laurieanne]

That’s a pretty big production error. But I agree with RumplesGirl’s timeline – the chipped cup scene was definitely when Belle first got there, because he was giving her the rules, his expectations for her to launder his clothing, clean the castle, etc. In the scene with the curtains (which I’m watching now), she seems much more at ease with him, asking the question about spinning, etc. Not like when she was crying in the dungeon. I think the crying scene might have been in the first week too. But hey, Keb, it’s your timeline! It’s what you think the events are. Depending on how you interpret things, everyone’s timeline would probably be a little different. Because the truth is we don’t really 100% know!

[RumplesGirl]

The rest of Skin Deep clearly happens a couple months later. I think the curtain scene could happen within the first week though.

But the way he treats her in the curtain scene and then for the majority of Lacey doesn’t add up. He is clearly already fond of her during the curtain scene and she is of him. In the majority of Lacey, up until he spares Robin, they are fighting and arguing and he drags her to the woods to watch him kill. Him sparing Robin is what allows for the curtain scene.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[daybreak_fairy]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

But the way he treats her in the curtain scene and then for the majority of Lacey doesn’t add up. He is clearly already fond of her during the curtain scene and she is of him. In the majority of Lacey, up until he spares Robin, they are fighting and arguing and he drags her to the woods to watch him kill. Him sparing Robin is what allows for the curtain scene.

I just heard the official podcast episode for Lacey & at 11:45 one of the authors says:
“and for us the real inspiration for this episode is ‘what was the first moment that Belle really started to look at him?’. You know of course when she fell off the drapes & they looked at each other but for us, this was the moment when she realized he was more than a beast.”

Because of this I think that the curtain scene must have happened before Robin’s story. I do believe that the way Rumple & Belle treat each other is kind of inconsistent. Maybe when Skin Deep was filmed there was still no 100% certainty that the show was going to be renewed for a second season & the castle scenes have limited time so Rumple’s & Belle’s interactions had to be quicker to make them fall in love. Or maybe their relationship in the castle was like some of those “bipolar” relationships when a couple one day adore each other, at some point later hate each others guts & some time later they adore each other again. 🙄

[thelonebamf]

I know that the hood Belle wears is made of the same fabric as the curtains, but isn’t it possible (although less poetic) that the curtains didn’t get nailed up until after Belle had arrived? If she arrived in say… fall, maybe he nailed them up later (not fond of winter, maybe) and she tried to take them down in the spring? I realize it’s not as cute as if they’d been there for years, but it’s still physcally possible. Maybe there were just extra curtains lying around somewhere for that cloak. XD

I’m now going to spend time speculating as to why Rumplestiltskin would hate the winter in particular. >.>

edit to daybreak_fairy: Hey, Belle herself describes love as being “many layered”. So maybe one of those layers is “You’re not so bad” followed by “What on earth is wrong with you” and just underneath that is “You’re just a sweetheart aren’t you” and then “What did I ever see in you”? Of course the only layer the fans are concerned about is the one just under the leather pants. 😉

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[RumplesGirl]

I just heard the official podcast episode for Lacey & at 11:45 one of the authors says:
“and for us the real inspiration for this episode is ‘what was the first moment that Belle really started to look at him?’

And I heard this and thought, “the first time she really believes in him and really look at him is when he spares Robin’s life.”

do believe that the way Rumple & Belle treat each other is kind of inconsistent. Maybe when Skin Deep was filmed there was still no 100% certainty that the show was going to be renewed for a second season & the castle scenes have limited time so Rumple’s & Belle’s interactions had to be quicker to make them fall in love. Or maybe their relationship in the castle was like some of those “bipolar” relationships when a couple one day adore each other, at some point later hate each others guts & some time later they adore each other again.

Skin Deep happens over a much longer period of time. Lacey takes place of the course of maybe a few days or a week and I, sorry to be a nusicence, but I think the events of Lacey are sandwhiced in between the big events of Skin Deep, being Belle coming to the castle and the curtain scene.

Let’s give more definitve time to this whole thing. We know it was winter when she was taken and spring when she left. So let’s say Nov-March for the entire thing.
Nov: Belle is taken to Rumple’s castle and given instructions on what she is to do.
mid-Nov: Belle still thinks Rumple might be a monster and calls him a beast and challenges him and because that’s her attitude and because Rumple still sees her as just the help, I think we can place Lacey here.
mid-Nov: all the events of Lacey where both Rumple and Belle really see each other for the first time. There is the great scene in the woods where they literally SEE each other. What stops Rumple’s snakryness about the bow? He turns his head and he and Belle stare into each others eyes. It’s that moment when he realizes how beautiful and how good she is. And in turn she sees he’s not a monster and hugs him. Then they go home and he further proves this by giving her the library. Where she make it clear that this is the first time she is truly seeing him: “You’re not the man I thought you were. And I’m glad.” (note: this is also clear because it parallels what Lacey is seeing in SB. She utters the same line to Rumple and he beats up Keith.)
Jan-Feb: they continue to get to know each other. At some point, Rumple gives her a new dress because cleaning in that gold gown is really quite impractical. 😆
Late Feb-March: Spring is coming. Time to let in the light. Notice their demeanor toward each other. His voice has changed, it has that sweet joking quality to it. He’s even looking at her differently. His skin is less harsh dark/gold and continues to lighten as they fall in love. His clothes are lighter. It was wall purposefully done to demonstrate that she is literally his light.
March: he let’s her go and the rest of the events of Skin Deep.

Ok. I’m insane.
It’s your timeline. I’m just trying to given my interpretation.
I’m going away. now. 😳

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thelonebamf]

Rumplesgirl I’m so glad you brought up the voice thing! After watching both “Skin Deep” and “Lacey” one after the other it struck me how much more of a caricature Rumplestiltskin is in the flashback scenes of “Lacey”. He is trying so hard to *play* the part of a villain. You can hear it in his voice in the carriage, it’s much more impish and nasal. This is also evidenced in the scene where he talks about his reputation for skinning those who steal from him. He’s working very hard to develop and maintain the persona of the Dark One (which is a little weird, because he clearly does have a reputation- otherwise Belle’s father wouldn’t have known to seek him out). His scenes in “Skin Deep” have a little bit of this (the chipped cup/quip scene is a good example) but he definitely mellows out as they get to know one another. By the time he tells Belle to go to town, he’s not pretending to be anything (except perhaps less hurt than he really would be by her not coming back).

If these episodes had been produced in reverse order, it would be easy to think that Carlyle was just laying it on a bit thick in his portrayal, but let’s face it – he’s amazing and he’s had plenty of practice playing the role in a very nuanced way. What’s really happening is he’s playing Rumple who’s playing a villain – and Carlyle is a far better actor than Rumple. XD I think I even recall someone’s reaction to the sneak peek of the two of them in carriage, the fan had no idea what was going on with the accents and thought they were watching a completely different show. In a sense they were- it was the “Rumplestiltskin is an Over The Top Bad Guy” show. 🙂

I think examining Rumplestiltskin’s speech and mannerisms is probably a very reliable tool as far as gauging a sequence of events.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[RumplesGirl]

YES. RC and Lana are both brilliant at this. They change their voice of the character depending on where they are in the arc. Lana’s EQ voice is very different from Young Regina’s voice and when shes having an honest moment with Henry. Rumple’s Dark One voice is different from his honest voice with Belle. You only start to hear the honest Rumple voice when he’s giving her the library because the start of the relationship but it’s the same voice as in Skin Deep curtain scene.

Ok. I said I was going away. I am now, promise.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thelonebamf]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Ok. I said I was going away. I am now, promise.

B…but whyyyyyy? T_T

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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