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I know we can’t take to heart what every actor says but:
People should just tune in! And switching gears to the flashback portion of the episode, which we know involves Belle, Rumple, and Robin Hood, can you tell us a bit about what the OUAT version of Robin Hood is like?
Pretty smooth and ballsy and cool. And Tom Ellis who plays him is great. The fairy tale portion of the “Lacey” episode is cool because it fills in the gaps that we haven’t seen with Belle and Rumple. Before they fell in love — or before they kissed. She starts to see a little bit of an inkling of good of him, and that has to do with our friend Robin stealing something from him. I let him go because that’s what Belle would do, and Rumple’s very upset. So we go on a little adventure to find [Robin Hood].
It sounds like it fits somewhere in the middle of “Skin Deep.”
Yeah. I’m still in the gold dress. I love that dress! She doesn’t change until mid-way through “Skin Deep,” yeah.
I think she loses the gold dress after the events of Lacey and when she says it’s in the middle of Skin Deep it means it’s after she’s first come to the castle but before the biggest events of that episode (curtain and then TLK)
As to behavior: well she’s sobbing pretty hysterically in the beginning of Lacey. She’s miserable. And the events of Lacey happen within a few days. She’s not miserable in Skin Deep. She seems to have accepted her place there and is comfortable.
I read the hug the same way you did, Rumplesgirl. It was just the idea that someone was open and unafraid of him in any regard. The curtain-catch scene was more of a “Well isn’t *this* a compromising situation we’ve found ourselves in” moment.
Exactly. The hug was the beginning of a friendship. The fall/curtain scene was the beginnings of love.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think the curtains appear drawn in the later scenes of Skin Deep, rather than just gone, don’t they?
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I’m in the camp that thinks the curtains in Lacey were just a major CGI glitch. 😕
@thelonebamf wrote:
but isn’t it possible (although less poetic) that the curtains didn’t get nailed up until after Belle had arrived? If she arrived in say… fall, maybe he nailed them up later (not fond of winter, maybe) and she tried to take them down in the spring? I realize it’s not as cute as if they’d been there for years, but it’s still physcally possible. Maybe there were just extra curtains lying around somewhere for that cloak. XD
I’d always figured that they’d been nailed up there for as long as he’d lived there. He had the mirror covered to try and prevent Regina from spying, so he’s not gonna leave the massive windows right next to the mirror wide open for anyone to peer through. Also, that castle was kind of like his cave, where he hid away from the world. The Dark One didn’t like any light getting in. Until Belle yanked the curtains down and forced some light into his world.
Keb- Hmm. You’re right. They look exactly the same. I don’t know though- I do feel like it’s funny that there’s so much debate over the curtains, it’s not as though they can’t be drawn, nailed, removed and replaced at will. ^_^
I spent some time trying to look at the seasons in the background and out of the window. It’s really hard to read. It’s definitely green and verdant when Belle is crying in the dungeon, very green and without any mist- so that makes me think it’s summer. (I’ve heard people say that she left to be with him in the winter, is there some canon backup for that that I don’t know about?) The span of time could be from summer to early spring?
Phee- I agree with you too. I think it’s a continuity error though, rather than a CGI mistake. If the windows had been open, Robin Hood couldn’t have made that nice loud glass smashing noise, and if he had the audience would be going “Wait, what window did he come through?”
Again, I realize the poetic reasoning and narrative strength of him having the curtains up all the time, I agree it makes the most sense. I think it was just a slip up and nobody thought the fans were going to get flustered over the drapes. Happens all the time. 🙂
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
Belle’s saying she’s had a couple of months to look around when she asks about Bae’s clothing, combined with “It’s almost spring!” suggests that yes, it was winter or late fall when she came to the Dark Castle.
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@thelonebamf wrote:
I think it was just a slip up and nobody thought the fans were going to get flustered over the drapes. Happens all the time. 🙂
Then they don’t know us very well, and frankly they should know better. 😛 😆
I think “couple of months” may be too vague to set a whole lot of value on. I’m just making blanket judgments on “It is REALLY GREEN” when the camera pans to the shot of weeping Belle and then found myself wondering why they were wearing cloaks in the forest moments later as they went to look for Robin. Is it that cold out already?
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
The curtains being drawn in Skin Deep in the later part of the episode occur AFTER the fall because that’s the scene where Gaston comes back, Belle gives her speech about love, and then Rumple let’s her go. She returns later that same night and that’s when TLK happens.
So it had been maybe a few days after she had opened the curtains in the first place. Thus, going off what Keb is proposing is the proper timeline it would have looked like this:Belle falls off the ladder and into Rumple’s arms. They have a moment of intimacy that isn’t about friendship.
Then in the span of days that occurs while Belle is opening all the curtains and making the room much more light, she gets back into her gold ball dress and sobbing hysterically at night about missing her family and they are having arguments about what a beast he is.
Then after the Robin Hood arc, she’s back in her blue dress and the whole room is now light and their relationship has fundamentally changed.
It just seems way too disjointed that way. I think it’s much easier to believe that Belle’s feelings towards Rumple started off in the rather negative and gradually become love with each passing gesture of kindness and demonstration that he’s not a beast. The back and forth, in terms of emotion and dress, make it feel wobbly.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Perhaps also relevant to the discussion is this excerpt from an interview with Emilie de Ravin:
“The portion in Fairytale Land in the Lacey episode — [Rumpel and Belle] are not in love yet. They’re still figuring things out yet,” says de Ravin. “Rumpel has a thief named Robin Hood who steals something from him and in true Rumpel style, beats him up quite a bit.
“The right thing to do is for Belle to release him, so she does. She’s basically putting her life on the line for Rumpel to kill her or get rid of her, but he doesn’t. That’s sort of the start of a little bit of the guard dropping down between them,” she says.
I think that’s a pretty strong indicator that the Robin Hood events take place before the curtain scene in “Skin Deep”. By that time, they’ve already fallen into a companionable mood. They’re content with silences, but Belle feels free to ask questions. Rumple answers her without being too snarky. When she asks about his spinning, he’s genuine about wanting to forget, but ends the conversation with a joke before it gets too serious. She’s no longer nervous and on edge as she was during the chipped cup scene, and not surprised at his more human responses like she was in the pillow/dungeon scene. She can read him better, knows when he’s joking and has a better idea of what sort of person he is.
Interview here: http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/04/once-upon-a-times-emilie-de-ravin-rumpel-and-belle-start-the-guard-dropping-down-between-them-in-lac.html
(Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere.)"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
Updated version. Now with scene order (which I’m pretty sure is accurate save for possibly a couple things in 217). Added a number of events as I was going through, and fixed a few errors. And yes, I decided to put the curtain scene before Robin Hood breaks in. And yes, I’m a die-hard Rumbeller, so some of my commentary is…um…not so neutral, but for the most part I’ve tried to stick with what’s visible in the series.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9NzNOek42VEZweVU/edit?usp=sharing
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