October 17, 2012 at 10:33 pm #135098
I believe Allan Ginsberg’s poetry is the key to understanding the Neal Cassady character…and I do believe that it all points to Baelfire.
I’m pressed for time so I don’t have time to pull out every line (maybe I can do that later on) but here is a portion of Allan Ginsberg’s Kaddish, his mourner’s poem for his mother. Neal Cassady is not mentioned in this portion…but is referred to later on as N.C. This portion of the poem describes almost perfectly the path that Neal Cassady/Mystery Man walked through New York City, exiting Central Park at 7th Street, ending up on the lower East Side, even looking over his shoulder, the reference to horses from Emily Dickenson’s poem…the horses in the poem drive the carriage that is death…the last lines of Adonis fit Baelfire exactly. I could go on and on but I don’t have time. Kaddish and Howl are Ginsberg’s two most famous poems and they both are based on his early experiences.
The second section of Ginsberg’s Howl could also be speaking of Baelfire/Neal Cassady/Mystery Man. It is entitled Molech. Molech was a stone god whose belly contained fire. Little babies/children were sacrificed to Molech…they were laid in his sloping arms where they rolled into the fire. Rumple sacrificed his son, Baelfire, to save his Magic. It is also very possible that the name Baelfire was chosen with this synmbolism…as Molech and Baal(Bael) both trace back to the same Pagan god. And Bae was allowed to slip into the “fire”.
If these nods turn out to be correct I think the picture we are getting from Ginsberg, who was a beat poet and friend of Neal Cassady, is that Neal/Baelfire was a child sacrificed by his father and that child was thrust into a world where he is totally alone. The world, nothing like what he knew…and unlike August Booth, his father did not lovingly put him in a magic wardrobe and send him away with love….rather his father dug his rumple blade into the dirt to keep himself from following his son…and let go of his hand, sacrificing Bae for his own greed/fear/magic.
This brings me to another thought. Bae’s world is totally lost. There is multiple mentions of people jumping off of fire escapes in Beat Poetry…and Mystery Man/Neal Cassady/Baelfire dropping his communication could have been setting a scene where we are supposed to see the despair of the people that were at that hopeless place. I totally believe he is mourning…but then just like in the story of Noah and the Ark, where Noah’s world is completely lost, everyone gone…a dove flies to the window. And like Noah’s dove who bears an olive leaf…Neal/Baelfire’s dove bears a message of hope. The curse has been broken.
Strange now to think of you, gone without corsets & eyes, while I walk on
the sunny pavement of Greenwich Village.
downtown Manhattan, clear winter noon, and I’ve been up all night, talking,
talking, reading the Kaddish aloud, listening to Ray Charles blues
shout blind on the phonograph
the rhythm the rhythm–and your memory in my head three years after–
And read Adonais’ last triumphant stanzas aloud–wept, realizing
how we suffer–
And how Death is that remedy all singers dream of, sing, remember,
prophesy as in the Hebrew Anthem, or the Buddhist Book of An-
swers–and my own imagination of a withered leaf–at dawn–
Dreaming back thru life, Your time–and mine accelerating toward Apoca-
the final moment–the flower burning in the Day–and what comes after,
looking back on the mind itself that saw an American city
a flash away, and the great dream of Me or China, or you and a phantom
Russia, or a crumpled bed that never existed–
like a poem in the dark–escaped back to Oblivion-–
No more to say, and nothing to weep for but the Beings in the Dream,
trapped in its disappearance,
sighing, screaming with it, buying and selling pieces of phantom, worship-
ping each other,
worshipping the God included in it all–longing or inevitability?–while it
lasts, a Vision–anything more?
It leaps about me, as I go out and walk the street, look back over my shoulder,
Seventh Avenue, the battlements of window office buildings shoul-
dering each other high, under a cloud, tall as the sky an instant–and
the sky above–an old blue place.
or down the Avenue to the south, to–as I walk toward the Lower East Side
–where you walked 50 years ago, little girl–from Russia, eating the
first poisonous tomatoes of America frightened on the dock
then struggling in the crowds of Orchard Street toward what?–toward
toward candy store, first home-made sodas of the century, hand-churned ice
cream in backroom on musty brownfloor boards–
Toward education marriage nervous breakdown, operation, teaching school,
and learning to be mad, in a dream–what is this life?
Toward the Key in the window–and the great Key lays its head of light
on top of Manhattan, and over the floor, and lays down on the
sidewalk–in a single vast beam, moving, as I walk down First toward
the Yiddish Theater–and the place of poverty
you knew, and I know, but without caring now–Strange to have moved
thru Paterson, and the West, and Europe and here again,
with the cries of Spaniards now in the doorstops doors and dark boys on
the street, fire escapes old as you
–Tho you’re not old now, that’s left here with me–
Myself, anyhow, maybe as old as the universe–and I guess that dies with
us–enough to cancel all that comes–What came is gone forever
Here is a link to the entire Kaddish – http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15307
Here is a link to the post I wrote describing the Mystery Man’s path. It was written before the character was revealed as Neal Cassady whom I believe is Baelfire. Most of the items are very understandable now as they reflect the communication arts culture. https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1514&start=110#p21041
Even the color green that Baelfire fell into ties in with the Beat Generation. Robert Stone’s — Prime Green: Remembering the Sixties mentions Neal Cassady.[adrotate group="5"]October 20, 2012 at 5:31 am #157308
I will have to reread this in the am…to tired to make sense of it all, but it seems you may have picked up on something…at least the discription of where the guy is walking and why.
My currant theory is that Neal is Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk. This is because Neal means champion, or cloud, and Cassidy refers to Curly. Also, Neal Cassidy is the name on Ben Linus’ passport when he escapes the island. Ben is known for being able to manipulate people. Neal Cassidy was known as a theif.
Imagine a beanstalk growing up to the clouds. It is climbed by a common theif who approaches a giant, and becomes a champion when he successfully fights for his life.
Also, Emma may have broken the law because of the influence of someone like Jack.October 20, 2012 at 6:13 am #157310
I can sure see why the beanstalk would point to Jack…but I really think that the reveal will be Peter Pan. I posted a lot of quotes from books, movie reviews and book reviews where Neal Cassady is referred to as Peter Pan. That fits really well with the post on this thread…the Mystery Man is Baelfire who became Peter Pan when he was lost in the vortex to another world, and in the new world he called himself Neal Cassady because Neal had a Peter Pan nature. Here is the link. https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1462&start=20#p21922October 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm #157353
I’ll take a look, but I whole heartedly believe that Dr. Whale is Peter Pan. Here are the reasons:
1) His last name is Whale because he is liken to the White Whale in the book Moby Dick. (A few days ago, Adam and Eddy said in an EW interview that this book WOULD be used.) The connection I made is that Captians Hook and Ahab both went crazy due to the loss of a limb, and they are both seeking revenge against the person or creature that caused the amputation: Peter Pan and the White Whale.
2) Also, Dr. Whale’s ego could be compared to that of Pan’s, since he was constantly challenging Captian Hook.
3) He wouldn’t trust Charming because of how Peter viewed authority. He was a leader, and all the other authority figures were Pirates with seedy motives.
4) Maybe Whale’s curse was that he automatically became a man, and Peter doesn’t know what to do with his raging homomones.
5) Whale seems interested in how families work. He is seen watching the Charmings and Red and Granny.
6) Lastly, Whale watches Charming interact with Mother Blueperior, who is a Fairy. Peter’s best friend was also a Fairy:Tinkerbelle.
If I’m right, I’m worried about Peter. He needs to get his mind off of dating, and start preparing himself for an attack from a rather nasty Captian Hook. I’ll leave the spoilers that make me believe that they will find each other out of this post, but if you have Peter in the mix, why wouldn’t you have him fight Hook?October 20, 2012 at 8:30 pm #157354
All this said, I’m hoping we can put our minds together. 😉 I tend to pick up on things, and it seems you do the same thing.October 20, 2012 at 8:51 pm #157356
Very interesting stuff, dear. I’m gonna say that at the very least, the mystery man is supposed to be seen as a ‘Lost Boy.’ Perhaps Jack would also miss his parents, and this would account for the lines in the poem relating to where he walked and the ‘key’ in the window. We’ll see what happens in the very near future.October 20, 2012 at 8:56 pm #157357
First all I’m loving the Mother “Blueperior”..that is clever. Your clues are very well thought out. 😀
In a little more than a week we will know for sure. (seriously wish I had a dancing bananna emoticon about now)
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