Not a David Nolan Fan

[charming]

@Phee wrote:

@Sam993 wrote:

David is an underdog. He’s trying his best, but it kinda blows up in his face. And come on, guys, he doesn’t know what to do with himself. He’s lost and confused. Mary Margaret is there so he can lead him to the right path. In ways, she’s challenging him to be a better person because after 28 years in a coma and lost without a wife and a kid, the dude’s mess up. And he had a death experience too, so that may be affecting his judgement in Storybrooke. I feel more sorry than anger towards him.

I’m not angry with him. A tad frustrated by him for sure, but I can understand why he’s messed up, and it’s totally not his fault.

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

But the best part is that when he does insert his foot into his mouth his does it with those adorable puppy dog eyes and/or the single tear falling every so slowly down his cheek . . .while the breeze blows in one ear and right out the other ’cause there’s not a whole lot of wind resistance going on in between.

Love this description! 😆

We all love under dogs winning in the end. MM is an under dog too. In fact most all of the FTL characters with happy endings were not really under dogs but are under dogs in Storybrooke. Regina was an under dog and is now the top dog. that is why this story is so funny at times to see Charming being not so Charming. So whenever someone refers to him in Storybrooke, i believe it was Mr. Gold said MM and her charming friend. When David met Gold at his shop and he was looking at the unicorn mobile and Gold said, “Charming…….”. what was funny he was refering to the mobile but David was not sure what to think.

[clockwatcher]

@charming wrote:

We should also take note that Emma should start talking to David as at least a friend. Emma and MM talk enough and are almost acting like a daughter meeting her mother at the same age. They seem to take turns being each other’s mother. You have to agree they do get along very well.

She needs to start doing that with her Dad/David/James/Charming. Every girl needs her Daddy and every girl is a Daddy’s girl. Every father sees his daughter as his little girl and it will never change.

I feel like in SB, we keep forgetting that David IS Emma’s DAD! I mean, we all know that MM is her mother, and we can almost see the relationship. But it seems like David and Emma hardly interact in SB, and it doesn’t seem at all like he is a fatherly figure the way MM is a motherly figure to Emma. I definitely think that we will see more interaction between Emma and David in the next few episodes, or next season. 🙂

[weedith]

I can sort of buy that David is supposed to be the anti-Charming. James has his “fearless bravery,” and David is anything but. Look at Thomas/Sean, though. Thomas was very loyal to Cinderella. Even after he found out the deal he had made with Rumplestiltskin, he didn’t turn away from her for a second. He said that magic may have brought them together, “but magic didn’t create this love.” (which rings true since both Rumple and the Genie stated the rule that magic can’t make somebody fall in love with you). In SB, Sean abandoned Ashley when he found she was pregnant.

Sean seems to have shaken off his loser-boy qualities and is not only supporting his child, but has committed to Ashley. Is David just taking a longer time to come around? How is it that Sean and Ashley get their happy ending in SB (happier than in FTL really) even under the curse?

[hjbau]

I think that it was easier for Cinderella and Thomas because Regina is not actively going after them. The curse created a situation where they were not together, but that is it. With Snow and Charming, Regina is actively doing everything she can, everything, to make sure they don’t end up together.

[weedith]

So do you think Regina’s whole plan was about hurting Snow and everybody else is just collateral damage? Or in her pain, did she want to hurt everybody and not have to watch anyone else
be happy when she was miserable?

[Phee]

@weedith wrote:

So do you think Regina’s whole plan was about hurting Snow and everybody else is just collateral damage?

Yep, that’s pretty much how I see it. Snow was her real focus, she’s the one Regina needed to ruin so desperately that she killed her own father to make it happen. So really, the whole point of casting the curse was to tear Snow and Charming apart. It’s just an added bonus that she got to mess everyone else up a bit too, but they’re not her main concern.

Also, all the other men in town aren’t as screwed up as Charming, because he’d been in a coma since they arrived there. Without his conscious brain being active, and living out his new, fake life, the fake memories never got a workout, so they didn’t take hold properly, and there’s still the ghost of who he really is holding on inside his head. He legitimately IS in two minds when it comes to Kathryn and Mary. So I don’t think his actions can really be compared to those of any other man in town.

[hjbau]

@hjbau wrote:

I think that it was easier for Cinderella and Thomas because Regina is not actively going after them. The curse created a situation where they were not together, but that is it. With Snow and Charming, Regina is actively doing everything she can, everything, to make sure they don’t end up together.

I think that the Queen was going after everyone, but only because they supported Snow. Like Snow said Regina isn’t a queen anymore and it seems like the people have decided to support Snow and Charming in the fight against Regina. Though i do think that really Regina is hurting everyone else just to hurt Snow because like Phee said Snow is Regina’s main concern.

[charming]

@hjbau wrote:

@hjbau wrote:

I think that it was easier for Cinderella and Thomas because Regina is not actively going after them. The curse created a situation where they were not together, but that is it. With Snow and Charming, Regina is actively doing everything she can, everything, to make sure they don’t end up together.

I think that the Queen was going after everyone, but only because they supported Snow. Like Snow said Regina isn’t a queen anymore and it seems like the people have decided to support Snow and Charming in the fight against Regina. Though i do think that really Regina is hurting everyone else just to hurt Snow because like Phee said Snow is Regina’s main concern.

If we rewatch the pilot, when she announces the curse. It is directed at Snow and Charming first, then everyone else present at the wedding. So both are correct everyone is collateral damage and yet they are all directly effected too because everyone in connected in someway or had helped them (Snow and Charming). They are directly effected because of guilt by association to the happy couple. Their guilt by association makes them collateral damage.

It is like the what came first, the chicken or the egg argument. Nobody is going to be right at this point until we hear Regina actually says, “Hey Cinderella I did not mean for my curse to hurt you, but since you are friends with Snow and so won’t get a happy ended…you won’t too.”

[hjbau]

That is actually why i would say that everyone else is not exactly collateral damage because i think the Queen did mean to hurt everyone else. That was part of her goal, but, of course, it is still her main goal to hurt Snow. It was Snow that she went to so that she could see her suffering as the curse took over. Though she was also looking for Emma. I would think of collateral damage as people she did not mean to hurt, but i actually think that the Queen meant to hurt everyone so it isn’t exactly collateral damage. Just my opinion.

[charming]

@hjbau wrote:

That is actually why i would say that everyone else is not exactly collateral damage because i think the Queen did mean to hurt everyone else. That was part of her goal, but, of course, it is still her main goal to hurt Snow. It was Snow that she went to so that she could see her suffering as the curse took over. Though she was also looking for Emma. I would think of collateral damage as people she did not mean to hurt, but i actually think that the Queen meant to hurt everyone so it isn’t exactly collateral damage. Just my opinion.

That was exactly the point I was getting across. In that scene when the threat was made. She first threatens Snow and Charming and then threatens everyone else by saying, “all of you!”. Unless the character actually says otherwise…….it is like everything else that these characters do or say. Unitl we have proof of it and we can point them out, all are just guesses. Or until they say otherwise their no’s can eventually become yeses. Characters are not dead until we see them die or have a body.

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