OUAT/LOST: Allusion, Nods and Easter Eggs

[hjbau]

But the events in 1977 were not happening at the same time as the events in the present day. Those events had already happened at the time of the pilot. The very fact that the hatch, the Swan station, existed is proof that those events had already happened. They even called it the incident before we saw the incident. The reason that the hatch existed and that they had to push the button was because of what the the time traveling losties did when they went back to 1977. They didn’t change anything, they just actualized what we already knew happened.

Things like the Hatch and the incident. Or Faraday telling his girl to leave the island. Or Faraday being shot by his own mother. Or Miles’ father losing his hand. Or the Volkswagen van with the dead guys. Those sorts of things had all already happened and we were just seeing the events that had already happened in the past. The losties did not change anything by going back there.

There is only one storyline in LOST, one history of events and just past, present, and future, no sideways into another word or dimension like in ONCE. I understand they called it a sideways, but they were still only flashbacks and flash forwards.

[hjbau]

I actually really liked the end of LOST. I thought that it was interesting to have this after life peaceful moment. I know it seems like a lot of people wanted a more scientific change the history of the show thing to happen, but i hate stuff like that. I hate when a show rewrites the history of the show at the end of a series. That doesn’t work for me. They never did that in LOST. They even went out of there way to say that everything that happened to everyone was real and their experiences were real and that they were the most informative of their lives and that was important even though some died on the island and others long after. And that was why they all found one another in the after life in the place of waiting.

[gypsy]

That is a very interesting take. I just think of it differently. Everything that happened up to the crash was just normal time going forward. Then the crash (those flashbacks were just back story/weaving the characters together). Subsequent events leading to the Island ‘skipping’ caused the loop that sent some to 1977- as with some of the flight 316 passengers. Time paradox can be interpreted in so many different ways. I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong- I actually like your aspect that they ‘been there, done that’- I just never thought of it that way. I loved the ending, too. I agree, a more ‘scientific’ ending woulda pissed me off lol! Or if they had pulled a ‘Matrix” and over explained. So many ppl hated the ending…it seems to be an on going debate. I have found that mostly everyone that hated the end also thought they were dead the whole time. Common misconception.These same ppl also didn’t get the clues throughout the series…the anagrams, the significance of classic literature, the influence of so many popular genre’s- Stephen King, The Godfather Triliogy, Led Zep…mythology and science….

“We all die sometime, kiddo…some before you, some long after you.”

[hjbau]

Yeah, i get that some people are never going to like the more mythological ending. I really would have felt that a change everything ending or a they were all dead the whole time ending would have been a cop out. I am glad they didn’t do that. Because i think i just think good shows are about choices and to rewrite those choices away as if they were nothing, to take the characters back to square one, to the people they were before they found the island, would have been a cop out. Just because all of them finding the island was so informative for them all in a good way.

I really do think that they did not change the past though in 1977. I know what you are saying about how the skipping of the island that caused them to go back happened first for our characters but being in the past happened second for them, but i do think that they just actualized the past. They just caused what happen already to happen. By trying to stop the incident, they were unknowingly the cause of it, but that incident was always what happened.

And i think that it is important for that to be true for the same reason i think it was important that they not rewrite history when they ended the show or have them all be dead because i think that their choices need to mean something so rewriting history is never a good thing in really good shows. I am really hoping they do not do that in ONCE.

It is sort of like in ONCE though with the apple. They even showed it this way. The apple rolled down the hill after Snow took the bite and fell through a hole into our world and i believe that it always did that. That if Regina had been looking at the apple in that moment she would have seen it disappear into our world, present day.

[gypsy]

I just can’t get past Damon and Carlton saying, the LOSTies didn’t consider what else their decision to blow up jughead would do…i.e. affecting other ppl…their decision created the fact that certain other ppl’s lives didn’t lead them to be on flight 815 and therefore, were not on the island and not at the ‘church’ in the finale. I know the real reasons certain ppl were not in the finale (but, that wouldn’t explain things on the show :/). Ahh, yes, I like that…Regina seeing the apple disappear into our world…really, I totally get you 🙂

Part of what I love about LOST- theorizing and friendly debates all these years after the finale 🙂

[gypsy]

NONNIE- I totally agree about keeping the LOST connections together for those OUAT fans that are also LOSTies. I, on the other hand, am a devoted LOSTie. I was post-op/physical therapy at the time when LOST was originally airing. I literally had nothing better to do but ‘analyze’ LOST. I have like 15 notebooks full of notes that I ‘researched’ lol.
The LOST easter eggs just are a fun part of OUAT that don’t really matter in the scheme of the plot, so, non-LOST fans won’t be, well, Lost 🙂 but true LOST fans can pick out/appreciate the nods 🙂

[marilou]

isn’t it paradoxical how LOST was about letting go and we just simply refusing to let go, we still cling to every single shred of theory like a tween girl with a justin bieber poster.

If we choose to speak in rational terms the ending of LOST was great, it explained a lot, gave closure and provided a sense of peace for the characters. As far and ending goes, you can’t ask for anything more.

The only problem is, I am not a rational being. My hearth was completely shattered by the last episode of LOST. I think one of the reason I was upset with it, is because, compare to the rest of LOST, the ending was a bit easy.

To just blame it all on God or religion or beliefs was kind of a semi-cheap move for an extremely smart show. LOST never was one to shy away from science, philosophy and cold hard facts. The show prided itself on holding a coherent debate on science and religion. I was bitterly disappointed in the writer’s decision to completely cave in to religion (I use the word “religion” in very broad way), leaving science and philosophy behind as if they did not mattered in the grand scheme of things.

[hjbau]

@Gypsy wrote:

I just can’t get past Damon and Carlton saying, the LOSTies didn’t consider what else their decision to blow up jughead would do…i.e. affecting other ppl…their decision created the fact that certain other ppl’s lives didn’t lead them to be on flight 815 and therefore, were not on the island and not at the ‘church’ in the finale. I know the real reasons certain ppl were not in the finale (but, that wouldn’t explain things on the show :/). Ahh, yes, I like that…Regina seeing the apple disappear into our world…really, I totally get you 🙂

Yes, but the producers are talking about the flash sideways when they talk about they didn’t know how it would effect them because this interview has to be before the season was over. They are trying to be secretive. I think that the reason people aren’t on the plane is because some people are not ready to move on yet, like Ben, who was sitting outside the church, not ready to go in yet, but everyone is still there in the afterlife. It is just that all we knew that had happened in the past before the losties went there still happened, so i don’t believe they changed anything.

[gypsy]

They had to have done something different at some point or they would not have been able to move on. If what you’re saying is it’s one big continual loop that happens over and over= plane crash -events-detonating jughead in1977- plane crash- events- detonating jughead in 1977- plane crash….what do you think was different in order for them to finally move on in the finale? I mean, they didn’t move on and ‘go into the light’ …..and then board flight 815 again and it all started over again…..

[marilou]

@Gypsy wrote:

They had to have done something different at some point or they would not have been able to move on. If what you’re saying is it’s one big continual loop that happens over and over= plane crash -events-detonating jughead in1977- plane crash- events- detonating jughead in 1977- plane crash….what do you think was different in order for them to finally move on in the finale? I mean, they didn’t move on and ‘go into the light’ …..and then board flight 815 again and it all started over again…..

they let go, move on, go into the light and get to live happily ever after (paradise, heaven, fields of light, reincarnation etc…) time is not a loop, time in linear in LOST. It simply happens that some of the casaways “straight line” involved a detour in 1977.

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