May 14, 2013 at 1:24 am #136867
I believe Greg and Tamara were sincere in their original plan to destroy magic but as Greg said, “We found something that changed everything.” This is my explanation for how they are related to Peter Pan’s search for Henry.
We know Peter Pan has been searching for Henry for centuries, but why? Henry was born in a world without magic but he is a child of parents from a land with magic. Perhaps this combination is what makes him unique and valuable to Peter Pan. If all Peter knows of Henry is his picture and the fact that he is a child of magical parents in a non-magical land, he would want to search every non-magical world for Henry. Peter can’t or won’t leave Neverland but he can detect when a boy from a magical world crosses over to a non-magical world and he sends his shadow to bring the boy to Neverland for inspection. After they are found not to be Henry, these boys become the Lost Boys. This would explain why the shadow appeared in Fictional London shortly after Bae arrived.
I’m assuming the shadow can’t enter a non-magical world until someone from a magical land has crossed over and broken the barrier between the worlds. Once that has been done, Peter would want to continue to monitor that non-magical world for any future appearance of Henry. What better way to keep tabs on a non-magical world than to recruit people who resent the intrusion of magic into their world? The Home Office would serve as a front for Peter Pan, pretending to search for and eradicate magic but in reality using the information sent back by its operatives to look for traces of magic that might lead to Henry.
The destruction of Storybrooke would have just been “business as usual” until Greg and Tamara took the trigger from Regina. When they sent a picture of it back to the Home Office they probably also sent everything Regina had on her. That must have included a picture of Henry in her wallet. At that point, Peter issued new orders through the Home Office for the abduction of Henry.[adrotate group="5"]May 14, 2013 at 1:30 am #194059RumplesGirlKeymaster
If all Peter knows of Henry is his picture and the fact that he is a child of magical parents in a non-magical land, he would want to search every non-magical world for Henry. Peter can’t or won’t leave Neverland but he can detect when a boy from a magical world crosses over to a non-magical world and he sends his shadow to bring the boy to Neverland for inspection
So this is the part that stuck out the most to me as I read your thoughts. In SSTR Greg tells Regina that “they” (I think meaning THO) have been doing “this” for a long time, which I think is reference destroying magic but I think it was also a reference, not intended by GOAT but rather by the writers, that Peter has been taking boys for a long time. I like that all the crying boys were once from magical realms and somehow ended up in lands without magic. How did they get there? Who are they? Are they just regular non magical boys from FTL who someone how got lost? Are we talking the Pied Piper? (Peter Pan and the Pied Piper do share some similarities)."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 14, 2013 at 1:36 am #194062
Are they just regular non magical boys from FTL who someone how got lost? Are we talking the Pied Piper? (Peter Pan and the Pied Piper do share some similarities).
Good idea! Given how much Adam & Eddy like to mix stories it wouldn’t surprise me at all!May 14, 2013 at 1:44 am #194067jbwood5Participant
I may be wrong but I believe in the episode “Tiny” the giants talked about how they use to allow humans to use their magical beans until they became greedy…. Maybe these lost boys were sent through portals to raid other lands of treasure and were suppose to use a second bean to head back to FTL. This is the only way I could see these kids being from magical lands and being in non magical lands.May 14, 2013 at 1:48 am #194065RumplesGirlKeymaster
I believe this is the conversation you’re referring to:
Arlo: Have you forgotten what the humans did? Why we no longer trade beans with them? They weren’t content merely traveling between the realms. They had to conquer and pillage.
Anton: Because a few humans did some bad stuff, doesn’t make them all evil.
Arlo: They don’t abide by the same laws that we do, Anton. We giants foster life. They destroy it. That is why they must never know that we still exist, or that we still grow the beans.
Anton: But why do we keep growing them… If nobody ever uses them?
So yes, it seems some time ago humans had beans and they could travel between realms. In the Return the BF also says
(The Blue Fairy tosses him a transparent looking bean.)
Baelfire: What is it?
Blue Fairy: A magic bean. The very last one that is known to our kind. The others got away from us. You just use it wisely, and follow wherever it leads you. It will save you both.
So the beans seem to come and go from human existence."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 15, 2013 at 1:54 am #194442storybrookegirlParticipant
My theory for how Peter Pan and the HO are connected hinges on the fact that Pan somehow knew what Henry was going to look like before he was born. I’m therefore assuming a parallel time between the two worlds (though days may past faster, time is still parallel).
Peter Pan has the power to see the future (or knows someone who does – Tinkerbell, mermaids) and is engaged in a centuries-old battle against the Dark One. Not Rumple specifically, Dark Ones in general as the holders of the darkest of magic). This would be consistent with the goal of the HO of destroying magic; Pan decides that it’s safer for worlds without magic to just not get it at all and not have to fight over good or evil use of it, and so he starts the HO to travel to non-magical worlds threatened with magic and eradicate it. And he somehow knows that Henry will be the undoing of a Dark One someday, which is why he is searching for it. The most off-the-wall side part of my theory: Pan is either controlled by the Blue Fairy or is the Blue Fairy, as is his Shadow. (There’s just something scheming about her, and we know she doesn’t like Rumple or dark magic.)May 15, 2013 at 2:44 am #194472
Wow, that’s a good theory! I’ve never subscribed to the “Blue is sneaky” hypothesis – I’ve tended to accept her at face value as good – but I must admit that your idea would set up some great drama. What if she wants to eliminate dark magic but sacrificing Henry is the price? She might rationalize it as the greatest good for the greatest number but our heroes would never go along with it setting up quite a conflict as the heroes and reformed villains together fight on the side of dark magic against “Good”! Blue did point out that Dreamy and Nova had to sacrifice their happiness for the greater good.
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