March 16, 2013 at 5:44 am #180293lisasParticipant
Okay I just seen the 5th sneak peek for episode 2×17 “Welcome To Storybrooke” These are just my thoughts and speculations on what I think could happen.
Here is the YouTube link
I had feeling that Regina would try to strike back at Snow, David, Emma, Neal and Rumple by trying to use Henry, this doesn’t surprise me.
Rumple’s attitude towards this mess in which he started by the way when he manipulated Snow into using that candle and tricking Regina into killing Cora to save his own skin does surprise me considering his relationship with Neal/Baelfire is somewhat improved after last weeks episode. I suspect that Emma may go to Neal about Rumple’s refusal to even protect his own grandson from Regina which will most like prompt Emma into telling Neal that she put Henry up for adoption when she had him in prison. I’m wondering if Neal & Henry will have a talk about magic I’m betting that this whole fiasco will make Neal decide to stay in Storybrooke to help Emma protect their son from Regina & Rumple.
Could this episode prompt Neal, Emma, Henry, David & Snow to seriously consider going to another land to escape what Regina has in mind with this latest curse ?
There some things that are very clear to me based on the sneak peaks & spoilers for this episode and some of the spoilers & teases that we have been getting about future episodes
1.) Henry is in danger from both Rumple & Regina.
2.) We know that Neal is sticking around for the rest of Season 2. It wouldn’t surprise me if they made MRJ a series regular by next season because his character is central to Emma, Henry & Rumple and possibly Hook as well.
3.) We know from the spoiler pics & the promo’s from this episode that Henry tries to get rid of magic by blowing up the well and in the promo Neal,Emma,Henry,& Regina are in the forest near the well.
4.) We know by Adam & Eddy at PaleyFest that we are going to see another land and that land could be Neverland based on the names of episode 2×21 & 2X22.
Thoughts Anyone ?[adrotate group="5"]March 16, 2013 at 6:05 am #180297KebParticipant
I’m wondering very much if Regina’s got Rumple scared of even more than the seer’s prophecy. David’s right, this isn’t even close to repaying the debt that he now owes the Charmings–who got him back to Storybrooke, defended him against Regina and Cora at the risk of their own lives, and Snow on top of all of it sacrificing her innocence to give him Cora’s life. Not even CLOSE.
But Regina is smart enough (and was in the know enough) to know that Rumple benefited from her mother’s death. She knows that he was dying and stole her mother’s life. She’s got absolutely no reason not to seek vengeance against him, too, except that it’s complicated by the fact that he’s immortal in places with magic due to being the Dark One, and powerful enough that she does have some fear of him. She might not know how much of a role he played in things, but she knows he was involved somehow. She knows he’s the puppetmaster most of the time. If she managed to get control of something that mattered to him, or if she made a deal with him (and we know he can’t resist those), he might restrain himself from helping the Charmings beyond the warning (which he clearly feels he owes them that much).
The question is–what could she offer him or threaten him with at this point that would do that? Did she offer him a way to get Belle back? Something to do with Bae? A new threat to one or the other? Did she say something that triggered his fear of Henry?
Of course there is the possibility that he is trying to distance himself–perhaps because of Henry–and thus just being a jerk. But that seems out of character for him–there’s always a reason when he’s a jerk, even if it’s not immediately apparent or seems really petty compared to his reaction. Like when he wouldn’t help save Greg’s life, he was just coming off the failure of TLK the same night that Hook shot Belle AND the Charmings wouldn’t let him kill Hook, plus they didn’t even let him see Belle right away. Also, he had a valid enough point about the risks of what Greg saw that the council actually took it up for discussion ever so briefly. So, yeah, he was a jerk, but he had reasons.
Gah, is it Onceday yet?
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingMarch 16, 2013 at 6:09 am #180298HappyEndingsSpectator
Going home: With Snow White unsure whether Emma would go back to fairy tale land, it’s up to Charming to try to get his whole family home. “It’s his home and it’s where his soul is,” Dallas says. “The fact that he could have all his family there together is even better. He’s got a plan that’s underway right now that will hopefully get them back at some point. He’s definitely going to try to convince as many of his family members as possible to come with him.”March 16, 2013 at 6:25 am #180300vampirefan12Participant
Wrote this same theory in the season finale thread.
Theory I have but I hope it doesn’t happen ( This theory could definitely be the game-changer between Rum and Neal, but also with everybody in the show )
The curse is the ”Empty-Hearted”
Needs the heart of the person they hate most.
Ok. This is my crazy theory but I really hope this doesn’t happen: Rum uses the “Empty-Hearted curse on Henry, takes away Henry’s heart to make Baelfire love him. Maybe Rumpel grows to hate Henry and in the 2-part finale this is what he does with Henry. This would definitely change Rum and Neal’s relationship forever.
Personally I hope this doesn’t happen, but you never know with these writers.March 16, 2013 at 6:29 am #180302angiebelleParticipant
Wow..this clip made me rather sad…I was hoping to see a change in Gold after everything that happened in the last episode, but he still seems so cold here. One minute he is saying he is full of love and the next, he is acting nonchalant about the need for more bloodshed.March 16, 2013 at 6:45 am #180303KebParticipant
I just don’t think Rumple would do that. He knows it’s not real love and I don’t think he’s as desperate as Regina–the man put up with almost three centuries to get back to Bae, far more reviled and lonely than Regina’s been for most of her life (she had her father’s love up till she killed him for the curse, for example, and Sidney’s until she locked him away in the asylum, and Henry’s for a third of the curse…and she might not recognize it but she still does have Henry’s love). He looked horrified that Cora would remove her own heart, which suggests he never even considered the option despite his pain. He didn’t believe anyone COULD love him by the time he met Belle, and then he spent several years believing she was dead.
Was thinking today as I rewatched the first couple eps how very lonesome everyone in the extended family was at some point. Emma was alone–she told her “date” how she had no friends and no family she knew of. Henry, likewise, doesn’t have any real friends his own age; he’s got his mom, his therapist, and his teacher when he goes out to find Emma and at that time he believed that Regina was just pretending to love him, was willing to steal MM’s credit card, and while he liked Archie, hated that people would think he was crazy. Snow was intentionally kept lonely–that was Regina’s revenge–and David was in a coma and then amnesia and then a loveless marriage with Kathryn that Regina had trapped him into. Rumple didn’t have a friend in the town because they were all scared of him, even after he got his memories back. Bae had been abandoned in another realm (or more) for a couple hundred years, and then when he found love, he had to abandon Emma. And then there’s Belle locked up for three decades of almost complete isolation…and all the other lonely people (like Geppetto) rendered that way by the curse.
I think that’s actually why I liked Tiny so much–it was the story of someone else stuck in that lonely position for so long who found a family. (Also, nobody died in that episode and while the last few episodes have been amazing–they’ve also been really sad. Tiny actually had some happiness.)
But Rumple came to accept his loneliness, at least for a time, with the hope that he would someday find Bae as the Seer said. I don’t think Regina can accept that for herself, perhaps because she doesn’t have anything specific she’s hoping for except vengeance and going back to her victory in the Curse, when she had the power and Henry.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingMarch 16, 2013 at 11:56 am #180306PriceofMagicParticipant
I can see where Rumple’s coming from when he’s said he’s paid his debt by warning the Charmings about Regina’s intentions. Considering the history between Rumple and the Charmings, and the fact that last episode Snow still considered Rumple an evil, Rumple didn’t have to warn the Charmings. He could have just sat back and pretended that he had no knowledge of what Regina was up to but he felt like he owed them a warning so they could be prepared. Charming is dangling the Snow saved your life over Rumple. Whilst Rumple appreciates what Snow did, hence him warning them about Regina, trying to use it against Rumple like that is only going to end up backfiring on Charming.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Rumple actually put the idea of the curse to make Henry love her in Regina’s head. Rumple always has an angle.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixMarch 16, 2013 at 12:39 pm #180307SlurpeezParticipant
Also, that clip of Rumple and the Charmings makes me wonder if he didn’t intentionally allow Regina to make Henry think he loves her. In Rumple’s mind, it might be for the best of Regina regained custody of his grandson and so removed him as a potential threat to him.
That wouldn’t really eliminate Henry as a threat though? The only way Rumple knows of to eliminate the “Regina problem” is to eliminate her. So shouldn’t it stand to reason that the only way to eliminate the “Henry problem” is to eliminate him? Regina having custody of him wouldn’t eliminate the threat the kid poses. As long as Henry is still breathing, he can still bring about Rumple’s undoing.
I think Mr. Gold is always honest with people, but he manipulates the situation. You’re right in saying Regina regaining her son wouldn’t totally eliminate Henry as a threat to him. Yet, if Henry were to get caught in the crossfire between and the Charmings and Regina, it might just result in a devastating outcome for Henry and seemingly solve Mr. Gold’s worries in his mind. Mr. Gold looked directly at Henry as he said, “Wars have costs.” Very unnerving and disturbing. Don’t let Grandpastiltskin babysit Henry is all I have to say.
There was a TV Guide spoiler article that addressed this very issue of dark undertones in Mr. Gold’s conversations which could reveal his less than honorable intentions.
Henry’s in danger: After a seer told Rumplestiltskin that the young boy who would lead him to his son would ultimately be his downfall, Rumple set his sights on Henry, suspecting that he’s the boy from the prophecy. Unfortunately, no one will actually find out about Henry’s fate anytime soon. “There’s this really serious creepy undertone to what would normally be normal conversations,” Morrison says. “But the audience will know Rumple is contemplating what to do about Henry, whereas everyone in the room thinks Henry is safe, so it heightens that sense of danger for Henry because there’s no one looking out for him yet because no one knows he’s in danger.”
As for the harshness of this scene, I’m gonna wait to see it in context before judging, though on first watch, it did make me cringe. Rumple manipulates, and he may be playing some sort of game here to steer them into a particular action. I think he was so brutally honest because Henry straight up said he wanted people to be honest with him. Careful what you wish for, kid. 😕
I hope you’re right in holding out hope for Mr. Gold’s intentions, but I found that scene foreboding.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal CassidyMarch 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm #180308ser_dragonParticipant
“Wars HAVE COSTS?!” Rumple what are you doing?? Come on.
I know you think the Seer is telling you to kill Henry, but dude…last episode you came close to death and managed to make some headway with Bae. Don’t ruin this. Be the best version of yourself, do it for Belle.
You know what? I’m done with Rumpel. There is a spoiler on another forum that I happen to stumble upon and for me it’s very clear now that Rumpel will do something unforgivable:
What he thinks about that isn't really clear until Episode 22, at the very end, where you realize what he's actually up to. It's another game-changer of an episode. Everything turns around in that moment.” Carlyle also notes that the end of that same episode “is massive in terms of the relationship with Rumple and his son, and it can never ever be the same again.
Ok,if Rumple learned nothing after all have happened, if he is still that big stupid coward, if he blow out is relation with Bael, if he do anything to Henry, even sending him in another world, I give up on him. The end,enough.
And I’m more and more persuaded that that what is going to happen. If that true, then Rumpel deserve to lose everything and everyone in his life. Bael, Belle, need to stay away from that idiot for ever.
If that is what happen, then Rumpel deserve to be left alone for ever. No redemption for cowards. Then Regina and him could hang out together, because they are alike: evil, irredeemable, stupid, selfish psycho.
I mean, look, Snow doomed herself because that monster manipulated her to do it, and now what? He refuse to help? Seriously Rumpel? He have reached my patience boundaries. It really look like he learned nothing, is still a coward. Evil idiot needs to be removed from the pitch particularly when they seriously think about hurting children.March 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm #180309RumplesGirlKeymaster
This sneak peak still really bothers me. But, we don’t know what happens after. This clip is probably from the first 20 mins meaning that for all we know the next 40 mins or so is much better in terms of Rumple. I think Neal has to step up here. I think it’s very telling that he’s not in the room during this scene. But Emma (or Charming or Henry) tell Neal and he has to confront his father. After last week’s heartbreaking scene between Papa and son, they couldn’t let Rumple slide back to this. I knew his road to recovery and redemption was going to be long (potentially series long) but this seems really bad. For a man who spent all that time looking for Bae to turn on his own grandson when he is still trying to win back his son…*sigh*
But maybe I’m trying to rationalize my favorite character. The “wars have costs” line is just so disturbing. He’s hoping Henry’s out of the picture but not by his own hand because that way he is blameless. Neal needs to step in and smack some sense in Rumple. And for the love of heaven, someone tell Rumple that Belle wouldn’t want him acting this way!"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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