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@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think Neal has to step up here. I think it’s very telling that he’s not in the room during this scene. But Emma (or Charming or Henry) tell Neal and he has to confront his father. After last week’s heartbreaking scene between Papa and son, they couldn’t let Rumple slide back to this. I knew his road to recovery and redemption was going to be long (potentially series long) but this seems really bad. For a man who spent all that time looking for Bae to turn on his own grandson when he is still trying to win back his son…*sigh*
But maybe I’m trying to rationalize my favorite character. The “wars have costs” line is just so disturbing. He’s hoping Henry’s out of the picture but not by his own hand because that way he is blameless. Neal needs to step in and smack some sense in Rumple. And for the love of heaven, someone tell Rumple that Belle wouldn’t want him acting this way!So, that it? Rumpel isn’t strong enough to stand for and by himself? He will always need someone behind him to hold his hand so that he can stay at bay? He needs Belle or Bael to be his new crutch? He can’t walk without it? So he will always depends on someone then? like the big incapable coward he is? And what he said about wars costs? Really Rumpe, really!? After what Snow have done for you?
And then he want Henry to be out of the chessboard but don’t want to get his hands dirty himself, doesn’t this remember you someone else?
You know what? I really think that I was infatuated with Rumpel for the wrong reasons. Because he was played by Robert Carlyle. If he was played by someone else I don’t think I would have been in love with his character. Because there is nothing in that monster worth to be loved.
So this is it. Milah was right. Hook is right and Charming is right. That imp isn’t worthy anything. As Regina. We need to get rid of them asap.
[adrotate group="5"]@RumplesGirl wrote:
But maybe I’m trying to rationalize my favorite character. The “wars have costs” line is just so disturbing. He’s hoping Henry’s out of the picture but not by his own hand because that way he is blameless. Neal needs to step in and smack some sense in Rumple. And for the love of heaven, someone tell Rumple that Belle wouldn’t want him acting this way!
As a Rumple fan, I also find it hard not to overlook his flaws, because as he said himself, he’s full of love for Belle and Bae. You just want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Yet, with the return of his powers, Mr. Gold seems to have grown even darker overnight. Facing death didn’t seem to have caused lasting true reform; it’s resulted in Mr. Gold becoming an even more calculating and self-preserving. I haven’t given up all hope for his redemption, but it’s looking less likely at the moment.
I think Mr. Gold’s intention is to be rid of Henry in a way where he comes off looking blameless, just as he was able to do with Cora and then told Regina he did nothing to bring about her death. These two situations seem to be very similar. Mr. Gold knows he can’t just kill Henry outright, because that would result in losing Baelfire forever. Yet, being the coward he is, Mr. Gold can’t leave Henry alone either because facing death has made him even more paranoid. Mr. Gold thinks he nearly died because Henry suggested going back to Bae’s apartment for his camera. It’s twisted to think Henry had anything to do with it, but because of the prophesy, Mr. Gold will never be at ease and could misinterpret the events that happen to blame Henry for it all. So, Mr. Gold needs a clean solution to be rid of Henry without being blamed for doing it. If he were to push Regina towards an epic battle with the Charmings for custody of Henry, it could result in Henry’s death, and Mr. Gold would be left with Baelfire (or so he believes).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Yet, with the return of his powers, Mr. Gold seems to have grown even darker overnight.
I may be one of my biggest problems with this scene. It comes on the heels of one of the most heart breaking and beautiful scenes EVER in OUaT, the Belle/Rumple Rumple/Bae one. From that to this sneak peak just seems…wrong. If Cora hadn’t died last episode I’d probably be trying to figure out if this was Cora in disguise.
So, that it? Rumpel isn’t strong enough to stand for and by himself? He will always need someone behind him to hold his hand so that he can stay at bay? He needs Belle or Bael to be his new crutch? He can’t walk without it? So he will always depends on someone then? like the big incapable coward he is? And what he said about wars costs? Really Rumpe, really!? After what Snow have done for you?
Well he is the Dark One. Any attempt he has shown towards being good has come about because of someone else. It’s never been him trying to be good for the sake of goodness, it’s always him trying to be good because of someone else. Which I admit is problematic because he becomes reliant on another person and not seeing the good in himself. But I think Rumple is a vastly complicated character. The Dark One’s Curse makes him Dark but he also believes it about himself. Everyone tells him he’s evil and a coward so therefore he thinks he is and acts accordingly. How would the Dark One who is also a coward act in this situation? Just the way Rumple is acting in that sneak peak. I think he fears death and right now he is under the impression that Henry will cause his death so his reaction is to revert to darkness. In “In the Name of the Brother” Rumple threatens to kill the whole Charming clan because he’s terrified of what has just happened with Belle. When confronted with fear, Rumple goes dark. I think he actually likes Henry (he’s shown that several times) but right now he can’t like anyone because of this #$%@ prophecy.
God. I’m justifying him again aren’t I?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If you kill a person (within certain parameters), you become as evil as the person you killed.
As Regina said, Gold stole Cora’s life. It’s possible that the price for using that magic is that, in some way, you become as evil as the person whose life was taken. Maybe Rumple -is- Cora now. *shudder*
But that would explain a turn toward the darker part of himself.
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Well then the question becomes who is really responsible for Cora’s death. Is it Snow? It is Regina? Is it Rumple? Is it Cora herself?
I tend to believe that Cora is responsible for her own actions. But blame is in the eye of the beholder. Rumple believes he was justified in manipulating Snow because he was dying and thus he can claim “I did nothing.” Snow believes she made the right decision in that moment because of all the evil Cora had done but now believes herself to be responsible. Regina thinks Snow is to blame but ignores all the terrible things her mother has done because she finally had one really great moment with Cora. It’s messy. But having been confronted with death after almost 300 years, Rumple doesn’t want to come close to that again so he goes Dark Side.
This season has been pretty big for Rumple. He’s made progress, he has. He finally openly admitted that he was a coward and that magic is his crutch. He stopped himself from killing Hook because of Belle. And then he opened up to Belle and Bae. So when the writers take a big step backwards like this, I become very confused. And with other spoilers we’ve seen, we assume he's going to try and win back Belle and that (in the same episode) there are some pics of Bae/Henry/Rumple having what looks like family time. So I have to believe that there will be another part of this episode where Rumple relents and steps up to prevent more bloodshed."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
God. I’m justifying him again aren’t I?
Yes you are
But it’s fine, no worry. I tended to do that a lot too, but it’s over now. No more excuses for him. Being the Dark One is not enough to pass him anything. And for a grown man (and not any man but the Dark One mind you?) to be afraid of a boy… afraid to the point of seriously considering killing him or sending him away, maybe, separating him from his family, alone, afraid in a world he know nothing about? (Ok, I’m making sweeping assumption, there, I know right?) No excuse at all. Nope. Niet. Non, non non.And for a grown man (and not any man but the Dark One mind you?) to be afraid of a boy… afraid to the point of seriously considering killing him or sending him away, maybe, separating him from his family, alone, afraid in a world he know nothing about? (Ok, I’m making sweeping assumption, there, I know right?) No excuse at all. Nope. Niet. Non, non non.
Well, here I go again but…I don’t think he’s afraid of Henry. I think he’s afraid of what the word “undoing” means. It could mean death, it could mean the loss of his power. Both those things terrify Rumple, not so much Henry himself. Obviously, Rumple wants to live. And more than that, he wants his power. Without it, he goes back to being the village coward who was hated by people he loved. He hasn’t quite figured out that it’s holding on to magic that makes him coward. He’s had a small revelation about that in The Crocodile in the library with Belle but so much that he is willing to give it up entirely.
And are intentions and actions the same thing? If he plans to kill Henry or something equally vile, but doesn’t go through with it, has a change of heart and decides to be the better man Bae and Belle want him to be, then what do we say?
I don’t want to believe him capable of hurting Bae’s son but if he is capable then I don’t want to believe that he will follow through. I think it’s a total 180 from the development of his character this whole season."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ah whatever. If he turn back and submit to his dark side again, I’m done with that dude.
I think I need to find interest in a new character now. But, honestly there is no one else for me. I wont quit and still watch the show but, somehow things would never be the same.
Unfortunately, I can’t see them fully redeeming Rumple until the end of the series. Knowing these writers, they feel like if Rumple or any of the other characters don’t continue to have dramatic obstacles, then there would be no show.
@ItachiIshtar wrote:
Unfortunately, I can’t see them fully redeeming Rumple until the end of the series. Knowing these writers, they feel like if Rumple or any of the other characters don’t continue to have dramatic obstacles, then there would be no show.
I don’t want them to redeem him until the end of the series, I think that’s how long it has to be for him because he has more to pay for than anyone. And there should be bumps and faults and stumbles, absolutely. But I think killing Henry and going that Dark Side is a huge misstep and one that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense given his small advancements this season. I think the first step is for him to let this “undoing” happen, whatever that may entail (it can’t be death. The writers aren’t stupid, they know losing Bobby would kill this show). Then the next steps are for him to learn how to be a good man and not use magic as a crutch. Magic is the easy way out and how he solves his problems. Want to be reunited with your son? Turn back the clock. Want your true love to remember you? Enchant a cup. And him learning to not use magic is going to take a long time, but that’s to be expected.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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