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You know what? I don’t like what the show is telling about magic. I don’t like the fact that using magic is not a good thing in the show, that magic come with a price. My love for Harry Potter fandom is not stranger to this I suppose ^^
[adrotate group="5"]Well, I don’t think it’s all magic. It’s magic that has consequences almost written into it that comes with a price. You do a bit of magic and it not come with a price. But the kind of magic Rumple and Regina wield come with prices because of the nature of the spell. Of course the Curse came with a Price. Of course becoming the Dark One came with a price. Those spells are so powerful that a price is required. Emma cast a protection spell over Gold’s shop and there wasn’t a price per se.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I have to see the context of this scene in the episode. I do think Rumpel has a hard time loving anyone besides Belle and Bae. Even then, he has trouble understanding what it means to love, to trust, to sacrifice. When it comes to Henry, even if there were not a prophecy haunting them, he might not be ready to love the kid just because of the blood tie, and more importantly to Rumpel, believe that the boy loves him. Of course, in this Rumpel might be a blind idiot, because if Henry can have love for Regina, he ought to realize Henry could love him too. And if he does know that, or feel that, and still wants to hurt Henry, THEN I agree, he reaches that point where it will be really hard to redeem him. We don’t know enough yet though to see what the writers have in store.
Maybe Emma’s magic is sort of pre-paid or else the cost of magic that comes from dark emotions is heavier.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I do think Rumpel has a hard time loving anyone besides Belle and Bae. Even then, he has trouble understanding what it means to love, to trust, to sacrifice. When it comes to Henry, even if there were not a prophecy haunting them, he might not be ready to love the kid just because of the blood tie, and more importantly to Rumpel, believe that the boy loves him.
I agree. He knows Bae can love him because Bae loved him before. And TLK proves that Belle loves him. But Rumple will always believe that he is unlovable (I actually think he’ll never stop being surprised that Belle loves him) and to open himself up to a grandson, potential daughter-in-law, and the Charmings is a bit too much for him. He doesn’t know how to handle that, except by distancing himself as much as possible so he won’t get hurt.
But like KFC said…context. I want the scene that comes after this one.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"You know what I don’t understand is that Henry does love Regina so casting a spell to make someone love you who already does just seems like overkill. Maybe that’s how Henry will get through to Regina.
Well Henry does try to blow up the well which hopefully slaps some sense into everyone.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think that the price is a bit like the universe balancing itself. Just like in physics where if you exert a force there’s always a cost in energy, where every action has an equal and opposite reaction, magic isn’t free even if it can temptingly look free. I think that’s why the price for strong magic is so much higher, and why dark magic seems so much stronger–the evil users are willing to pay a higher price generally (like killing the person they love most, for example).
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I think that’s a really good way to look at it, Keb.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
Well then the question becomes who is really responsible for Cora’s death. Is it Snow? It is Regina? Is it Rumple? Is it Cora herself?
I tend to believe that Cora is responsible for her own actions. But blame is in the eye of the beholder. Rumple believes he was justified in manipulating Snow because he was dying and thus he can claim “I did nothing.” Snow believes she made the right decision in that moment because of all the evil Cora had done but now believes herself to be responsible. Regina thinks Snow is to blame but ignores all the terrible things her mother has done because she finally had one really great moment with Cora. It’s messy. But having been confronted with death after almost 300 years, Rumple doesn’t want to come close to that again so he goes Dark Side.
This season has been pretty big for Rumple. He’s made progress, he has. He finally openly admitted that he was a coward and that magic is his crutch. He stopped himself from killing Hook because of Belle. And then he opened up to Belle and Bae. So when the writers take a big step backwards like this, I become very confused. And with other spoilers we’ve seen, we assume he's going to try and win back Belle and that (in the same episode) there are some pics of Bae/Henry/Rumple having what looks like family time. So I have to believe that there will be another part of this episode where Rumple relents and steps up to prevent more bloodshed.The way I look at this is in my opinion that in the end it was karma coming back around because Cora herself is ultimately responsible for her own death because she alone is the one who set the course of events into motion starting long ago. Cora had free will, she wanted power and she got it 2 ways 1.) By marrying the king’s son & 2.) By learning dark magic from Rumple. Cora used that magic to control Regina & every aspect of her daughters life including killing Daniel in front of Regina in order to put Regina in a position to become queen. Cora admitted that she did set Regina up to save a young Snow, whose mother she killed in vengeance because of what Eva did to her years prior. As we learned in 2×16 “The Queen Is Dead” Cora tried to manipulate Snow into using that candle before Eva died, when that didn’t work she waited until circumstances put Snow and her father near their castle and she set in motion a plan to put Regina in a position that she wanted her in. She manipulated an innocent Snow into telling her about Regina’s true love Daniel. Cora’s act in killing Daniel sparked Regina’s hatred of Snow and her desire to make Snow pay. So in a sense Cora passed her hatred of Eva & Snow down to Regina who continues to hate Snow into present day Storybrooke. Regina herself is not without blame either because she herself has done some reprehensible and unforgiving things to Snow mainly using poor genie Sidney’s love for her into killing Snow’s father, etc. All the way down the line to enacting the curse that Rumple made so that he come to this world to find his Bae and reunite with him. While Rumple may feel like he is justified by his actions in order to save his own skin from Cora & Regina. I think there will be reprecussions that will come back around to bite him.
The only person who is completely blameless in this entire fiasco is Snow herself because it was both Cora’s & Regina’s long line of actions against her that finally took it’s toll on her. Everyone has a breaking point and Snow finally reached hers when they killed Johanna right in front of her and Cora admitted to killing her mother queen Eva. I can see how Rumple played on that and was able to manipulate Snow the way he did. When Charming found her you could tell that she instantly regretted what she had done.
Now as far as Rumple goes he is not completely without blame in all of this he knew that she would find the candle and that when she said she could get rid of 2 evils at once Rumple automatically used their grandson Henry as a way to manipulate Snow into helping him deal with Cora. While Rumple may feel like he is justified by his actions in order to save his own skin from Cora & Regina. I think there will be reprecussions that will come back around to bite him maybe in this episode or in future episodes this season. Rumple never does anything that is not going to help serve his interests in the the future
I have to wonder with Rumple’s refusal to help Emma, David & Henry stop Regina from enacting this curse on Snow & Henry that Emma will end up going to Neal to get him to step up and help her & David protect their son and her mother. If that is the case Emma is going to have to tell Neal about Regina being Henry’s adopted mother and why she put Henry up for adoption in the first place. Which I suspect will tie into Episode 2×18 when August returns in “Selfless, Brave and True”
We know that Neal really doesn’t like magic after seeing what it did to Rumple I am beginning to wonder if the events in this episode start prompting Neal into thinking he may need to take Henry to another land in order to protect him. ?
Thoughts anyone ?
Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking StickI feel like its kind of just natural consequences. Like, there are reasons there are rules. Not just because there’s a list somewhere someone just made up, but because there’s a reason. As children and youth pastors, we try to explain to the young children(5-11) we work with this principle instead of always saying “dont do this, stop doing that” etc . A biggie is leaving the room without asking. We tell them why they shouldn’t do that and why they have been disciplined. Its not because we just want to control them. Its for their safety. So the natural consequences of wondering about by themselves would be : they get kidnapped and worse. They get into something they shouldnt and get injured. Etc. That’s the price of their disobedience. Sure. they have fun for a moment but what if that running away fun is halted to a stop by tragedy? Was the fun worth it? . They don’t get the protection that comes with someone who loves them looking out for them.
I don’t think any of Regina’s prices she has paid for the curse has been worth what she has gotten in return.For all of us there are natural consequences. Don’t do homework? Get a zero. Do your homework = get credit toward your grade for the class.
I think they just don’t use the same lingo for light magic because its obvious that the benefit they receive from the light magic is sort of the “consequence”. They used light magic with love so the consequence is good.
I’ll have to go back to other instances like the BF. Has she ever said the price thing? Other than when “she” was Cora? Cant recall.
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