October 29, 2012 at 12:20 pm #158399pinkfairyParticipant
I think the rumple set up happened after jefferson’s convo with Regina about the wizard as rumple saw it as an opportunity.
I’m also not sure if whale/victor will be the wizard of Oz, the writters have tried to lead us one way before by using visual ‘clues’ and then turned it around in the end. I think he was made to visually look a little like he could be the wizard (with a few script misdirections by jefferson thrown in) but the end scene is a confirmation that he isn’t.
BUT then again if Rumple can be the beast and the crocodile as well, who really knows? (apart from the writters of course!, lol)[adrotate group="5"]October 29, 2012 at 1:00 pm #158417RumplesGirlKeymaster
I really don’t think Whale is that important that they would make him two characters. I think all the talk of the ruby slippers and Jeffersn’s “off we shall go to see him” were (not so subtle) misdirection that will be revisited later. I think we’ll see Oz/The Wizard at some point in this season, but it wont be Whale. His presence and mystery have been solved, for the most part, and unless they show us this brother (I really like the theory that it’s a Mr. Hyde like creature…) then I think his story is done.
If Oz is all powerful (when he’s in Oz, because in our land he was a charlatan magician) then I think we haven’t seen him yet. Maybe he’s still in EF?"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 29, 2012 at 5:56 pm #158518bfilipeParticipant
I feel like the slippers will come up again because if they had already been transported to the world with no magic then that means that they are in the human world which means there is a portal in the real world! I feel like oz will become a part of the show after they get the rights for it. It just hit me, what if Cora wasnt sent to wonderland but to oz? She could have been the wicked witch!October 29, 2012 at 10:45 pm #158555JosephineParticipant
They don’t need the rights since the book is public domain. The problem comes that they can’t use the “ruby slippers” because MGM created them. In the original story, they were silver shoes. If you buy any merchandise based off the books, which they do sell, usually in stores like Hallmark or Macy’s, they have Dorothy with the silver shoes and based off the original illustrations. Any change MGM made from the original I think they’d have to get rights for, but if they base it off the original, then all is fine.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.October 29, 2012 at 11:53 pm #158566jj_onceParticipant
Yes! I heard him say slippers so I automatically thought of Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz. I just assumed they were Dorothy’s because afterwards he talks about the fact that he needs them to go to a world without magic, which is what they are for in the story. There are also a lot of little things pointing to the fact that maybe Dr. Whale is also the Wizard of Oz.
The fact that Jefferson talks about the crystal ball and the slippers makes me think of the Wicked Witch, who had a crystal ball and wanted the slippers.
However, I haven’t read the book, only seen the movie. Any major differences?October 30, 2012 at 3:31 am #158593angiebelleParticipant
Well, the biggest difference between the book and the film besides the color of the slippers is that in the book, Oz isn’t a dream. The shoes take her to the field outside her home, and that’s where her family finds her. The shoes fall off en route. Another difference is that in the book there are *two* good witches just as there are two bad- the Good Witch of the North and Glinda who is actually the Good Witch of the South if I remember correctly. Other differences are a sequence involving a town made of china and that it’s mice who rescue them from the poison of the poppies. I’m sure there are others, but it’s been years since I read the book.October 30, 2012 at 4:13 am #158605jj_onceParticipant
Well, I guess the most important one is the dream-Oz versus real-Oz, then, especially if we want to consider that Oz is one of the magical worlds accessible through the hat. It needs to be real for that 🙂
The other stuff is probably all the details that are left out in a movie adaptation, although I have to confess it made me want to read the book now 😉October 30, 2012 at 8:49 am #158626PheeParticipant
I really don’t think Whale is that important that they would make him two characters. I think all the talk of the ruby slippers and Jeffersn’s “off we shall go to see him” were (not so subtle) misdirection that will be revisited later.
The more I think about it, the less I think he’ll also be Wizard of Oz, and the more I think that dialogue was just misdirection…but possibly not done randomly…
If Jefferson has just been to Oz, and brought Victor back from there, it could be because Victor was there looking for the Wizard who is rumoured to give hearts to people, (and tinmen). Jefferson could have already been working for Victor, having taken him to Oz to find the Wizard. Then Rumple got wind of that job and also employed Jefferson, proposing the 3 way deal where Jefferson would bring Victor back to FTL and they’d all end up getting what they wanted.October 30, 2012 at 10:50 pm #158682fireanniceParticipant
Actually, Dorothy’s slippers were silver in the book. I know the producers and writers are pulling from all kinds of places and things, They may pull from the movie or from the book. Just so you know.October 31, 2012 at 11:55 am #158728SlurpeezParticipant
I don’t think the color of the slippers is actually that important, but Eddy and Adam did refer to the slippers as “ruby” in their latest audio-podcast for 2×5.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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