May 18, 2012 at 3:20 pm #134546
So, many of us have wondered all season if Mr. Gold could see the future in SB, as we were told he could see the future per SW in the pilot. I have often thought he might, but now I am thinking he could see the outcome while in FTL and preplanned for his future in SB. So what are the things you can think of that Mr. Gold seemed to know ahead of time?
He planted the egg protecting the true love potion for use in SB.
He knew SW and PC would end up together despite their troubles —
Bow and arrow meant for the queen but shot Charming and gave him the opportunity to restore her memory.
Enchanted Charming’s mother’s ring to find SW
Put a single drop of true love potion on the “recipe” for the curse to make Emma the savior
He designed the curse to go to the land without magic that Bae came to.
He knew SW’s baby was a girl.
He knew she would come to SB on her 28th birthday.
He knew Regina would enact the curse ( although I think he knew this more from her desperation to have revenge on Snow; the Dark One knows a desperate soul when he sees it)May 18, 2012 at 10:15 pm #147278darcyfarrowParticipant
Somehow he knew to arrange Henry’s adoption. How he knew, at a time when he didn’t even remember his own name, is nothing short of a miracle.
He knew the moment when Emma became a believer.
He knew Emma would kiss Henry and break the curse.
He knew to keep all those momentos in his shop–anyone else would’ve sold them to whoever asked, or thrown them out because they weren’t selling.
He knew when he made his deal with Regina concerning Kathryn that Regina would assume “something tragic” meant killing, and he knew Regina wouldn’t check up on him later to ask what he ‘d done with Kathryn ‘s body (although that knowledge may not be derived from an ability to predict the future ; it could just be that he’s known Regina so long, he knows she’s a sloppy planner).
I think he even knew, at the moment he decided to have Charming place the easter egg in the dragon, that Emma would be willing and able to retrieve it for him, using her father’s sword.
And I daresay Gold knew that Emma would intervene for Ashley. I ‘d say he never intended to take the baby ; he set that up because he knew it would push Emma’s buttons–put her into a position where she had to accept his deal for the favor-to-be-named-later.
He’s been wrong only twice, and both times involving people he loved. Regina shouldn’t have made Gold a pawnshop owner; she should have made him a bookie.May 19, 2012 at 1:53 am #147292JosephineParticipant
I was rewatching the show yesterday and when he got captured by Cinderella, he absolutely knew what he was getting into. Before he even signed he knew that it was a setup and he’d be caught. The only thing that makes sense is that he wanted to be captured because he knew what was coming and his plans were in motion. That man is omniscient, I swear. There is no other explanation for it.
I’ve been comparing him to Severus Snape from Harry Potter, and he is to a large degree the Snape character, but he has the Machiavellian planning of Dumbledore (yes, I meant that…Dumbledore turned out to be a master manipulator, brilliant man, but he had so many more layers.)
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.May 19, 2012 at 10:57 am #147310
Found this list of Rumplestiltskin’s Fairytale Deals on the net
The Dark Curse in Exchange for Riches and Comfort
In exchange for the secret to completing the Evil Queen’s Dark Curse, Rumplestiltskin demanded riches and comfort in the real world of Storybrooke, and that the Evil Queen has to give him anything he asks for as long as he says “please.”. It is known that Rumplestiltskin’s counterpart, Mr. Gold, remembers making this deal probably because it was initially his spell that he gave to the queen, and is shown he remembers after Regina demands his real name with which he answers “Rumplestiltskin”.
Marionette Potion in Exchange for Jiminy Cricket’s Parents
In the episode That Still Small Voice, it is revealed that Rumplestiltskin had a business relationship with Jiminy Cricket, who would bring him possessions stolen by his parents during their travels as puppeteers in exchange for Rumplestiltskin’s gold thread. One day, sensing that Jiminy had become disillusioned with being forced into a life of deceit and thievery, Rumplestiltskin offered him the chance to escape by giving him a magic potion that would take care of his parents for good. In return, Rumplestiltskin only asked that he be given Jiminy’s parents after they had taken the potion, as it would count as his fee. However, Jiminy’s plan backfired when his parents switched Rumplestiltskin’s potion with a bottle of rainwater they had planned to give to another swindled couple. After learning that the couple had been turned into marionettes through the potion, Jiminy left his parents and made another deal with the Blue Fairy to become a cricket in order to mentor the couple’s now orphaned son, Geppetto. Meanwhile, Rumplestiltskin, true to his word, took possession of the marionettes, who were later shown to be owned by Mr. Gold in his pawn shop in Storybrooke.
Cinderella’s Night at the Ball in Exchange for her Firstborn
In The Price of Gold, Rumplestiltskin destroys Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother just afer she appears to soon-to-be-princess, stealing the Fairy Godmother’s wand in turn. In exchange for something “precious” to Cinderella—which turned out to be her firstborn child—he uses the wand to bless her with a magical night at Prince Thomas’ ball. He returns to claim his prize from the regretful pregnant Cinderella.
Rumplestiltskin’s Freedom in Exchange for Prince Thomas
When Cinderella confesses the terms of her deal with Rumplestiltskin to Prince Thomas, he concocted a plan to trap Rumplestiltskin. Thomas gets a red quill enchanted by the Blue Fairy that will freeze and neutralize the magic of anyone who uses it. Cinderella tells Rumplestiltskin that she wants to make a new deal with him. She tells Rumplestiltskin that she is pregnant with twins, and she will give both children to Rumplestiltskin in exchange for good crops in Thomas’ kingdom, if Rumplestiltskin will sign a contract using the red quill. (The deal is a ruse; Cinderella is not pregant with twins.) Rumplestiltskin warns Cinderella that she should not try to trick him because “all magic comes with a price,” but he signs the contract nonetheless. The quill freezes Rumplestiltskin and he is imprisoned in the dwarves’ mines. However, Prince Thomas mysteriously disappears. Rumplestiltskin tells Cinderella that the Prince wouldn’t return to her until Rumplestiltskin’s original deal was honored.
Prince James in Exchange for the Location of the Fairy Godmother
In the episode The Shepherd, it is revealed that King George was childless and wanted a son. Rumplestiltskin gave King George a peasant infant to raise as his son in exchange for an unidentified “pittance”. Many years later, son is killed in a duel, after he had agreed to slay a dragon in the kingdom of Midas in return for gold that George’s kingdom desparately needs. When King George asked Rumplestiltskin for help, Rumplestiltskin brings him the son’s twin brother in exchange for the location of the Fairy Godmother, elaborating that her death in The Price of Gold happened as a result of this particular deal. Later, the twin brother takes on the identity of his slain brother: Prince James.
Potion of Forgetfulness in Exchange for a Lock of Snow White’s Hair
In the episode 7:15 A.M. Rumplestiltskin made a deal with Snow White in exchange for a potion which would allow her to forget her memories of Prince Charming so that he would be able to fulfill his responsibilities to his father’s kingdom. Rumplestiltskin only asked for a lock of Snow White’s hair in return, which he later used to bottle “true love” by placing it in a bottle with Prince James’ hair.
Protection from the Ogres in Exchange for Belle
In the episode Skin Deep Rumplestiltskin made a deal with with Princess Belle that she should forever be caretaker of his estate in return for protecting her father’s kingdom from the ogres. Through her stay in his castle, Belle learned that Rumpelstiltskin had once had a son who shared his kingdom, but now had left him all alone, causing him to seek company which Belle could provide. Rumplestiltskin later broke this deal himself, releasing Belle from their arrangement after suspecting that she was in league with the Evil Queen planning usurp his power. This assumption turned out to be false. The Evil Queen had manipulated Belle into kissing Rumplestiltskin and having him be cured of his evil by the magic of true love, a spell which Rumplestiltskin resisted, believing himself to be unlovable, and still needing his magic in order to find his long-lost son.
Snow White’s Location in Exchange for Prince James’s Cloak
In the episode “Heart of Darkness” Prince James demands Rumplestiltskin tell him where Snow White is upon learning of Snow White bloodthirsty acts against the Queen. He agrees, but only if he will give him his cloak, claiming it is drafty in his castle. James takes off his cloak and Rumplestiltskin show him a map of where Snow is. James leaves and Rumplestiltskin picks up the cloak, smells it then leaves. He later pulls hair from the cloak and puts it in a bottle with Snow White’s hair to form a true love potion.
Baelfire’s Happiness in Exchange for his Powers
In the episode “The Return,” Baelfire wants his father to give up his powers. Baelfire meets with the Blue Fairy and she gives him a magic bean which will take them to a world without magic. Baelfire takes his father into the woods and throws the bean on the ground. A portal opens up and Baelfire starts to enter; however, Rumplestiltskin cannot bring himself to do so. Baelfire calls his father a coward before he falls into the portal. Rumplestiltskin is upset afterwords and regrets this decision with all his heart. (Note: This is the one deal Rumplestiltskin has broken.)
Prince Charming’s Mother’s Ring and a Way out of the Infinite Forest for placing the bottle of love in the Belly of a Beast
in the season one finale “Land without Magic” Prince Charming escapes the clutches of the Evil Queen to find himself transported to the Infinite Forest and an awaiting Rumplestiltskin. Having stolen his mother’s ring through the use of magic, Rumpelstiltskin enchants the ring to find Snow White and offers the ring back to Charming for a price. A sword fight ensues with Rumplestiltskin taking the upper hand and telling the Prince “this is a deal you want to make.” Charming then follows up on a quest for Rumplestiltskin to place the bottle of love, which has been enclosed inside of an ornate egg, inside Malificent in dragon form. Returning to Rumplestiltskin he is given the ring and a new outfil for “his big moment.”May 19, 2012 at 11:28 am #147313
Somehow he had to know that Charming and Snow White would continue to find each other. The finale makes it clear that he wanted this to happen, and so he helped it along when the chance presented itself.
Snow came to him for the potion to forget, so he got her hair
Snow came to him to kill the EQ, and he got Charming’s cloak with his hair when he came to find her.
The bow and arrow he gave SW found it’s mark and provided the opportunity for Charming to restore SW’s memory of him.
Then he met up with Charming and coerced him into a deal, not because Charming was particularly desperate at this point (although he would have become so after some time), but because Rumplestiltskin needed them to find each other at this point. He needed what their “true love” would produce — Emma and I also think the powerful magic of true love.
How did he know to await Charming there? The queen decided on a whim to send him?
And all of that to set up our story with Emma as the savior and regain the bottle of love for a “rainy day.”May 19, 2012 at 1:43 pm #147317butterscotchParticipantJosephine wrote:I was rewatching the show yesterday and when he got captured by Cinderella, he absolutely knew what he was getting into. Before he even signed he knew that it was a setup and he’d be caught. The only thing that makes sense is that he wanted to be captured because he knew what was coming and his plans were in motion. That man is omniscient, I swear. There is no other explanation for it.
I agree. They all thought how they were cunning enough to capture him but come on he is the most dangerous man in all the realm. He knows pretty much everything about everyone and he couldnt tell that Cinderella wasnt expecting twins? No, Rumplestiltskin knew exactly what he was doing when he signed that contract.May 19, 2012 at 3:54 pm #147328JosephineParticipant
I wonder if when the creators were planning the series if they set down and said, “Hey, we’ve got this show about Snow White and the Evil Queen’s vengence against her, and the savior that will break the curse. But that’s not what the show is really about.” And then sat out and plotted all of Rumplestiltskin’s stories and motives and then wrote the whole show around it. Because at the heart of the show, he’s really what this show is all about…the curse, the deals, true love. Everything comes back to him one way or another, even when you don’t think he’s involved he is somewhere down the line.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.May 19, 2012 at 10:02 pm #147348
The writers have said to some degree that they wrote that part specifically for Robert Carlyle. He did not audition to be on the show, they wanted him. In many ways what you say is probably true. And Robert Carlyle has rocked as Rumpel/Mr. Gold. I will be severely disappointed if he is not up for an Emmy in the fall.May 19, 2012 at 10:13 pm #147349the_saviorParticipant
I’m curious to know how FAR Rumpel knows what will happen in the future, and if he still planned on putting the vial into the well if August actually was Bae.
Concerning the “Final Battle” I’m led to believe that there is more at stake than just trying to find his son when it comes to bringing magic into Storybrooke.May 27, 2012 at 2:54 pm #147834hjbauParticipant
I didn’t read all of this thread, but i think that Rumpel did just put the egg away knowing that it may be useful when he regained his memories to have a bit of powerful magic in the real world. There does not seem to be the need for foreknowledge for the egg.
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