October 23, 2012 at 5:18 pm #157845PriceofMagicParticipant
@Faux Pax wrote:
I think that because Rumple is the more favored character out of those two, some people want to excuse everything he’s done. Truth is, I don’t think Milla was teasing him heartlessly, I think she was telling him a hard truth the he couldn’t take. Pile that on top of the fact that he was projecting his own self loathing over what happened to Bae onto her, and most of the fault lies at the Crock’s scaly feet…
I think Rumple’s anger towards Milah is justifiable, what he did to her maybe not so much. Pre-dark one Rumple thought Milah had been kidnapped by Hook. He would have had to walk home from Hook’s ship and tell Bae that he would never see his mother again. Rumple would have blamed himself for his cowardice preventing him from fighting for Milah. He would have lived with that guilt for years only to then find out that Milah wanted to leave anyway.
The way that she told Rumple “I never loved you” was very spiteful. “Never” implies that the whole marriage was a lie. Had she said “I didn’t love you anymore”, she may have lived.
Also, although she didn’t know it, Milah was playing a very dangerous game with Rumple. She and Hook were standing between Rumple and his way to Bae.[adrotate group="5"]
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixOctober 23, 2012 at 8:41 pm #157862
I think there is no need to excuse Rumplestiltskin what he’s done. He is the bad guy, after all.
t is part of his new “him” to behave like that: capricious, moody, obsessive… and one of his main characteristics is that he takes words to literally, twists them, understands what he wants.(Deal Master, you know 😆 )
So it is quite logical that he took his wife’s words as an offence and killed her. Probably he repented afterwards, but hey! what is done, is done, and as he himself said “being sorry is not enough”.
The question is why did he take his wife’s words as an offence? well, i think he know he is guilty of loosing Bae. He was the one who left him go. And by saying “I left you and our son because I never loved you” she was saying “everything is your fault”.
It is a really serious accusation. I can imagine what came across his mind: “ok, you never loved me… why did you marry me? I was not rich, probably not handsome… why doing so then? you know, we have a son together, you slept with me, why doing so if you never loved me? You are blaming me for you being unhappy but, hey! you chose me at some point… it is not my fault that you didn’t love me. Don’t blame me for all what happened afterwards, you tried to change me, you left us and now.. everything is my fault?”– result: “I’m gonna kill her”. And so he did.
Reasons behind this argument:
He looks really sensitive to Bella’s atempt to change him. (Millah tried to change him also, by pushing him not to be a coward) And also to be blamed for his losts. ( As you can notice in “Skin Deep”: while beating Moe, mr. Gold is repeating all the time: “now she has gone, you rejected her and now she’s gone. It’s your fault not mine”) This sort of feeling don’t appear suddenly, they have their roots in past situations.
But, as I said at the beginning, this is not an attempt to excuse him. I’ve just followed his train of thought to know the whys. :geek: He is an interesting character to analize :ugeek: 😆October 23, 2012 at 10:30 pm #157868faux paxParticipant
I can imagine what came across his mind: “ok, you never loved me… why did you marry me?
You have to understand that during that time period a lot of marriages were either arranged or because they were ‘comfortable’ and they got married before Rumple became the village coward. It’s entirely possible that he accepted long ago that she doesn’t love him (i don’t think he realised just how much she despised him, but that’s a little different).
I really like what others were saying about that whole ‘How could you leave Bae?’ bit really being that he was projecting his own self loathing onto her…at least mostly. I won’t deny that there would be some hard feelings, but i think it was mostly him.
P.S. Trickster, just out of courisity, is your name a nod to one of my favrote supernatural characters? 😉 :ugeek:October 23, 2012 at 11:02 pm #157871
I completely understand what you mean… but that is why I can’t understand why marry him. yes, he was not the village coward, but he is older than she is, he was not rich, not prosperous, not handsome.. he was just a spinner. Don’t misunderstand me… I know that in Medieval times, especially in England, being spinner was having quite confortable life, it was one of the more powerful guilds… ^^ but the way he is presented is almost as being a beggar, and no parents in the world would like their daughter married to a peasant if they can avoid it.
But i agree, he probably accepted she doesn’t love him long ago… and also that he was projecting his own guilt in her (and that is the why for thinking all those things i wrote before. like people who think that they are being cheating by their partners because they have cheating them before) ^^
P.S. In a way it is XDD actually, it is to the figure in the old Mythologies -the Spider, the Coyote, the silver fox, Loki, Hermes, the Raven, Eshu, Wakdjunda… and yes, Loki-Gabriel from Supernatural XDD and, of course, Rumplestiltskin 😆 What can I say? i’ve been in love with these guys since i was a child…October 24, 2012 at 12:28 am #157874surayyaParticipant
^ the living as a peasant or ‘beggar’ (as you put it) was AFTER he came back from war branded a ‘coward’. He may have been much wealthier & well respected BEFORE the war for all we know.October 24, 2012 at 12:44 am #157879
It could be. But there are no references to a previous live. It seems like the family has lost its reputation and nothing else.
And -this is just a guess, but I’m pretty sure (contradictions everywhere XD ) losing wealth is something difficult to forget, so probably Milah would reproach him also for that -or himself, or his son, or…- It would appear at some point, because wealth is more important than reputation; without money you can die starved, but lack of reputation only hurts your pride.
but it is FairyTaleLand, not the real world, so.. it could be that living like they did was not as bad as I imagine, and that I’m just transferring my impressions in a wrong way.
After all, beggars in Fairy Tales are ussually much more than just poor people…
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