Rumple vs. Regina

[mickey]

I also tend to think that his reasons for making the curse are more good than evil, or at least understandable. I think that he set it all in motion either to get back his lost son or to get rid of the Dark one without having to die. Defeating Regina will be the icing on the cake.
I think Regina and Rumple are enemies. Earlier in Fairytale land there was just animosity and power play. We saw how cosily Regina felt in his castle, but now there is hate. And there is going to be more once Regina drags Belle out of her cell.

[hjbau]

Even if Rumpel’s goal is to get back his son, the way he is going about it is wrong. You can’t just harm everyone else to get what you want and then call it good. It still doesn’t seem like hate between Rumpel and Regina for me. At least they need to show what happened between them.

[mickey]

If we want to look at everything that is happening in the series from black and white perspective, then I guess we can’t call it good. I didn’t say good, though. I said more good than evil.
I guess for me it’s just difficult to pass judgements about what is right or wrong that easily. So if his reasons are like the ones I stated before, I will be sympathetic. I admit.
I see hate between them, especially in the jail scene in Skin Deep. I think what Regina did with Belle may have something to do with it. But I may be wrong.

[Phee]

Had to laugh when I saw the results of the poll. Poor Regina. 😛

@hjbau wrote:

Even if Rumpel’s goal is to get back his son, the way he is going about it is wrong. You can’t just harm everyone else to get what you want and then call it good.

I’m not so sure he sees the curse as harming anyone…except eventually Regina. Of course, it wasn’t a particularly friendly gesture to dump everyone in a new world without their memories, but up until this point in time, what they don’t know hasn’t really hurt them. And if he’s planned it so that eventually the curse will break and everyone will remember, and they will rekindle their relationships, then there wasn’t necessarily any harm done during those years they spent in limbo.

The only one who gets the raw end of the deal, (not including the likes of Graham of course, but his death is on Regina’s hands, not Rumple’s), when the curse breaks and everyone remembers, will be Regina. She’ll be stuck in a land without magic to protect her, where everyone in town is out for her blood.

So yeah, I think that ultimately part of his plan is to beat her, and this whole curse business has been a long con on his part. And I think the turning point in their relationship was what happened with Belle.

Up until then, I think they’d probably had a freinemy type of relationship, using each other if need be, but for the most part co-existing peacefully, and there was an understanding that Rumple was top dog with the dark magic and that’s how it was gonna stay. But then Belle came along and Regina told her to kiss him and next thing you know he’s yelling, “You think you can make me weak?! You think you can defeat me?!” into the mirror. Translation: “Game on *bleep*!!” 👿

[killianhookfan]

But I think that at some point Rumple and Regina had at least a tolerable relationship. They aren’t like Harry Potter and Voldermort where anytime they are around each other you never know which one will come out alive. There is always some kind of odd bantering going on between the two of them and at some point Regina made a comment about how they used to know each other so well. Also, Rumple doesn’t seem the least bit annoyed when Regina just waltzes right into his castle and serves herself tea in Skin Deep.

I still think that in all of this Rumple plans to redeem Regina as well. I think he wants to get her back to how she used to be before her mother screwed her up by killing Daniel

[hjbau]

I am really not passing judgment easily. I just don’t see what Rumpel has done that is good, trading babies, killing people, and especially if he is the causer of the curse. I don’t really want to talk about Rumpel though. I am really trying to stay out of his thread because it just makes me not like the character. And i think the character is too interesting to not like him.

Emma lost her parents. Grew up alone and because of that she didn’t think that she could take care of Henry, so she gave him up too. Both Emma and Henry have been harmed by the curse, in my opinion.

And it really does seem to me like Regina and Rumpel are friendly enemies. Like they are never going to be real friends because they are people of power and they don’t have friends, but they are not exactly enemies either and know each other well. So what is between them? Just because Regina told Belle how to break the dark one curse on Rumpel? That doesn’t seem like enough to me either. If they are going to be some sort of ultimate enemies like Harry vs Voldemort then there has to be more to it then this.

[midnight dreary]

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

But I think that at some point Rumple and Regina had at least a tolerable relationship. They aren’t like Harry Potter and Voldermort where anytime they are around each other you never know which one will come out alive. There is always some kind of odd bantering going on between the two of them and at some point Regina made a comment about how they used to know each other so well. Also, Rumple doesn’t seem the least bit annoyed when Regina just waltzes right into his castle and serves herself tea in Skin Deep.

I still think that in all of this Rumple plans to redeem Regina as well. I think he wants to get her back to how she used to be before her mother screwed her up by killing Daniel

Hmm, Rumpel wants to redeem Regina? I never thought of that. I’ll have to think about it for a while though. Because I’ve always gotten the impression that he wanted her dead.

But I do agree with the theory that Rumpel wants to destroy all magic and that was his reasoning behind making the Dark Curse. He even said himself that it’s the curse to end all curses.

[beauty the beast]

I actually like the theory about Rumpel wanting to destroy all magic. Magic has been the downfall of his entire existance. His first introduction to magic ended in disaster and tragedy. So, I could easily see him wanting to do away with all magic. He probably thinks it’s the source of all evil.

[mickey]

It’s not only what she told Belle, I think. Rumple blames Regina for her “death” because he believes that when she met Belle on the road and told her about the curse, she started a chain of events that led to her alleged death.
It is probably going to be similar with the fairies. He hates them. We can speculate that they had something to do with how he lost his son. But I doubt that they killed Bae with their bare hands. They probably did something that Rumple believes led to the loss of his son.

[midnight dreary]

@mickey wrote:

It’s not only what she told Belle, I think. Rumple blames Regina for her “death” because he believes that when she met Belle on the road and told her about the curse, she started a chain of events that led to her alleged death.
It is probably going to be similar with the fairies. He hates them. We can speculate that they had something to do with how he lost his son. But I doubt that they killed Bae with their bare hands. They probably did something that Rumple believes led to the loss of his son.

That’s my theory as well. Rumpel probably views Regina as the downfall of his romance with Belle. Regina’s intervention was the turning point in their story. Mr. gold is only pretending to be semi-tolerable of Regina. Mr. gold rarely shows any emotion, especially around someone as powerful as Regina. So of course, he’s goingt o put up a friendly front with Regina. He’s not as brash and reckless as Regina. And judging by the promos for next week's episode, a lot of our suspicions about Mr. Gold betraying Regina has been confirmed.

I don’t think the fairies killed or intentionally harmed Bae. I think they mistakenly sent him somewhere dangerous. Like Oz.

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