April 8, 2014 at 5:26 am #260132tiara_roseParticipant
Exactly, KEB Cora get out of the contract, but then not exactly. The both change the contract to the child of them both. So the only reason she have to hide the first born of her ist that she is Rumples daughter, which really she was forced by contract to give him, and what other reason could be that Zelena is that much magical.
To the letter I think that Rumle send it to Cora after finding Zelena. I think that for Rumple it was not a problem to get to Wonderland or other magical lands. If it was with Jeff or on his own mysterious ways like we saw in Frankensteins world.
Also we know that Cora was after the pushing in the locking glass scene not the last time in EF. She must go after she became the Queeen of hearts back to the Enchanted forest and took at some point Henry Senior with her. It was never made clear why, when and how Henry was abducted to Wonderland. We only know that it has to be between one day before the wedding and until Regina killed Snows father. We also know that Henrys heart was in Wonderland and Regina rescued him with the help of Jefferson (altough he wouldn’t want). Maybe this letter was the reason Cora came back as the queen of hearts looking for her daughters and by the way took Hennry Sen (poor boy, his whole day a play figure for all his family members. He deserved better in my opinion, but then life is never fair).
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!April 8, 2014 at 9:26 am #260150KebParticipant
No…Rumple is not Zelena’s father. I don’t buy that theory for an instant. With his intense interest in Cora’s daughter(s), he would have been paying quite close attention to her children–after he met her. He met her the night before she was engaged to Prince Henry. Now, there may have been some time between the engagement and the marriage (it’s suggested that there was), but he and she were together all that time–he would have noticed if she were pregnant. And she also said ANY child she’d have wouldn’t be his.
He had no contractual claim to Regina or Zelena. However, he doesn’t like being out-legaled; to gloat over having gotten his hands on her firstborn ANYWAY is just like Rumple, especially in that period of his life.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingApril 8, 2014 at 9:42 am #260151PriceofMagicParticipant
I agree Keb. There is so much evidence in the show to prove that Rumple is NOT Zelena’s father.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixApril 8, 2014 at 12:27 pm #260178tiara_roseParticipant
ok leave the Rumple theory out, would my idea for the time line for the letter work?
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!April 8, 2014 at 1:35 pm #260189PriceofMagicParticipant
The letter throws up a couple of questions.
1. Why was the letter in Cora’s belongings if Regina had seen it a hundred times before and said she often looked to it for comfort?
2. If Cora had the letter all long, how did Regina know of it and use it when it would’ve been with Cora in Wonderland?
3. How did Cora get her belongings from Wonderland to the EF? She’d obviously returned to Wonderland after stealing Henry Senior and remained there until Hook came. It would’ve been suspicious if Hook brought Cora’s belongings with him back to the EF with Cora’s body. If Cora’s belonging’s were from when she was in EF during the curse, how did the letter get into Cora’s belongings when Regina had used it?
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixApril 9, 2014 at 12:18 pm #260421schaendlichParticipant
I don’t think we have any reason to believe that Regina was in hiding from Rumple…Cora didn’t need to hide her, as she’d gotten out of the contract (and possibly done some further mischief we don’t know about to Rumple–there still feels like some missing history). And let’s see…Cora was living a rather public life as Prince Henry’s wife (and thus we can infer a princess in her own right). Oh, and she marries Regina off, again, rather publicly, to a KING. Rumple was probably quite aware of all this. Keenly aware. Intensely aware. But he was clearly not aware of Zelena until he found her in Regina’s chambers.
I think that the contract gives even more weight to my theory. The show would have a serious issue if they didn’t address the fact that Cora DID NOT escape her contract. What she did was basically what Cinderella did. You heard it. The deal was changed. Cora can’t say “Oh yeah, we mutually agreed on a new contract, but I don’t feel like it anymore. So, I’m not paying.” She can’t get around it, and can’t amend it.
Also, there was barely ever a time at which Regina was any place Cora wasn’t aware of until the day Cora was pushed through the mirror. It was more than hinted to that she almost literally kept Regina on a leash, sometimes to the point of force. Yes, Cora put her daughter on display for her own personal gain, but Regina was never out of the way. So, for all intents, Cora was guarding her.
The day the letter was left for Cora could have been the day that Regina’s mother had let her guard down, and Rumpel finally got the chance to make a plan, and get near to her. I still believe that Regina found the letter in Cora’s stuff, after the “murder”.
I don’t know…I just kinda think it would make more sense than Regina somehow getting to Wonderland before she even knew magic like that, and finding the letter there. Then, they’d have to explain why Regina didn’t question her mother’s belongings being there, or why Cora didn’t make a move while Regina (or someone who knew Regina) was in the vicinity. Even if that wasn’t the case, what people are suggesting about getting the letter to/from Wonderland would take a little time to explain well. Most likely, time that A and E won’t spend because they’re focusing on everything else. I’m just scared of crowding in more plot points, and contrived writing.
The only way I’d see this as being Zelena’s is if Regina somehow got to the letter before it was sent to Wonderland. Even so, I enjoy more the idea that Zelena was so desperate that she’d even mistake her sister’s praise for her own.
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