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Scratching Out the Names

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Five › 5×18 “Ruby Slippers” › Scratching Out the Names

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  • April 18, 2016 at 11:20 am #321686
    RumplesGirl
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    To me this is obvious. It’s the same way they get around everything. When they kill Hades, everything he has done will no longer be. All the souls will likely be freed as well. It may be that simple. Killing him will be challenging, but once it’s done, I feel like so many things will become easy.

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    It does sound simple except that they’ve driven home the point that Hades is a God…those thingys are notoriously hard to kill. Of Emma does it, I’m all for it (cosmic storytelling and all) but if it’s not then I’ve got some problems.

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    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    April 18, 2016 at 12:11 pm #321695
    thedarkonedearie
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    Yeah to me it has to be Emma.  Unfortunately Regina is getting swept under the rug this half season and really this whole season.  She will be important if a certain someone does kick the bucket, but it should be Emma who defeats Hades.

    April 18, 2016 at 2:21 pm #321712
    Slurpeez
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    Someone else brought this up in a different thread, but didn’t Hades enchant a chisel, not Hook’s hook, in order to carve the names onto the tomb stones? *sigh*

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    April 18, 2016 at 2:50 pm #321716
    PriceofMagic
    Participant

    Hook being able to change names raises issues:

    1. If he can change names then why doesn’t he swap Regina’s, Emma’s and Charming’s names for Rumple, Zelena (two people he doesn’t like) and, since nobody in the main “hero” group cares about her, Belle.

    2. If Hook does indeed do that, then it makes Hook like a complete and selfish prat.

    Basically the writers have written Hook into a corner where either action makes him look bad.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    April 18, 2016 at 4:01 pm #321725
    Aglepta
    Participant

    Guys, they are supposed to be the heroes! They can’t swap out names for people they like less. That’s not very heroic. It reminds me of the end of season 2 when Regina was going to sacrifice herself and Henry pointed out that the heroes needed to find a way to save her even if she was once the evil queen. Zelena like it or not is family to Regina so I don’t think they will leave her trapped there. Banishing her to Oz is one thing, keeping her permanently in the UW is another.

    "To leave an enemy without an answer, say these words to him: Aglaria Pidhol garia Ananus Qepta" and blow in his direction; then he will not know which way he is headed and cannot answer you." - Swedish Trollproverb

    April 18, 2016 at 4:11 pm #321726
    WickedRegal
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    thedarkonedearie wrote:

    To me this is obvious. It’s the same way they get around everything. When they kill Hades, everything he has done will no longer be. All the souls will likely be freed as well. It may be that simple. Killing him will be challenging, but once it’s done, I feel like so many things will become easy.

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    It does sound simple except that they’ve driven home the point that Hades is a God…those thingys are notoriously hard to kill. Of Emma does it, I’m all for it (cosmic storytelling and all) but if it’s not then I’ve got some problems.

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    But I don’t really think they can kill Hades…he’s pretty convinced of that. In most legends, only a God can kill another God. I get Emma is the Savior and all that, but she’s not technically a God….it probably would have been more fitting for Demi-God Hercules to have been the one to do his uncle in, but he’s off in Mount Olympus.

    Maybe Hercules will get his father Zeus to come down and handle Hades?

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    April 18, 2016 at 4:35 pm #321734
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Guys, they are supposed to be the heroes! They can’t swap out names for people they like less. That’s not very heroic. It reminds me of the end of season 2 when Regina was going to sacrifice herself and Henry pointed out that the heroes needed to find a way to save her even if she was once the evil queen. Zelena like it or not is family to Regina so I don’t think they will leave her trapped there. Banishing her to Oz is one thing, keeping her permanently in the UW is another.

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    Supposed to be heroes is key. They are SUPPOSED to be. And one of the biggest themes this season so far is that morality is relative (shoot, that’s one of the biggest themes of the SERIES) and we are told time and time again that the FAMILY matters more than anything else.

    No one cares about the peasants or the minor baddies, just the little CharMillStiltskin clan. Why should I expect them to take the moral high ground now when they usually don’t if it means keeping their insular little gang together?

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    April 18, 2016 at 5:22 pm #321739
    WickedRegal
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    Aglepta wrote:

    Guys, they are supposed to be the heroes! They can’t swap out names for people they like less. That’s not very heroic. It reminds me of the end of season 2 when Regina was going to sacrifice herself and Henry pointed out that the heroes needed to find a way to save her even if she was once the evil queen. Zelena like it or not is family to Regina so I don’t think they will leave her trapped there. Banishing her to Oz is one thing, keeping her permanently in the UW is another.

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    Supposed to be heroes is key. They are SUPPOSED to be. And one of the biggest themes this season so far is that morality is relative (shoot, that’s one of the biggest themes of the SERIES) and we are told time and time again that the FAMILY matters more than anything else. No one cares about the peasants or the minor baddies, just the little CharMillStiltskin clan. Why should I expect them to take the moral high ground now when they usually don’t if it means keeping their insular little gang together?

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    Preach!

    Unfortunately if you’re not a member of that dysfunctional family, you’re on the ever long waiting list for “saving”.

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    April 18, 2016 at 5:47 pm #321741
    PriceofMagic
    Participant

    No one cares about the peasants or the minor baddies, just the little CharMillStiltskin clan.

    I think you mean the CharMills clan brcause they sure as hell don’t give a damn about Rumple or his side of the family.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    April 18, 2016 at 5:47 pm #321742
    MatthewPaul
    Moderator

    Someone else brought this up in a different thread, but didn’t Hades enchant a chisel, not Hook’s hook, in order to carve the names onto the tomb stones? *sigh*

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    I thought the same, until I actually re-watched the scene. Hook actually never said that Hades enchanted his hook to carve the names. He said that “he enchanted my hand to carve these markings in the first place”. Back in the episode “Labor of Love”, Hades shows the hook to Emma, and drops it on the ground before leaving. This took place before Hades asked him to chisel names, too. Hook continues to be hookless until Emma saves him in the “Devil’s Due”, so I’m guessing Emma kept the hook and returned it to him. So I think the enchantment was done to Hook’s hand, and that was what gave him the power to carve names, rather than the chisel itself.

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