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Shard or a Box?

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Five › 5×23 “An Untold Story” › Shard or a Box?

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  • May 16, 2016 at 2:15 pm #323913
    RumplesGirl
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    Okay I just rewatched the scene a few times.

    Rumple speaks to Belle-box about her dreams and then the room starts to shake. Rumple actually acknowledges what is happening: “a portal” he says.

    He then looks at the Belle-box, the crystal and back again at least twice if not three times. In other words, he had enough time to pick up the box and get to the crystal before the actual portal opens on the bed. He then lunges for the crystal and then looks back over to the bed where the portal opens.

    I think he made a deliberate decision in that moment (however he will rationalize it, he went for the crystal first after thinking about it)

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    May 16, 2016 at 2:35 pm #323918
    AKA
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    Okay I just rewatched the scene a few times. Rumple speaks to Belle-box about her dreams and then the room starts to shake. Rumple actually acknowledges what is happening: “a portal” he says. He then looks at the Belle-box, the crystal and back again at least twice if not three times. In other words, he had enough time to pick up the box and get to the crystal before the actual portal opens on the bed. He then lunges for the crystal and then looks back over to the bed where the portal opens. I think he made a deliberate decision in that moment (however he will rationalize it, he went for the crystal first after thinking about it)

     

    For that to make sense, Rumple would have to know that someone was after Belle.  At the time he didn’t know who was opening a portal but did know that it was someone who obviously had magic to do so.  If we assume that magic people can “feel the aura” of the crystal why would he assume that they were after anything else.  I think he looks at Belle as in deciding what should I do now, the only thing that can save her is the Crystal.  He then grabs for it, looks back sees the portal take Belle and then lunges for the mattress like he can’t believe that just happened.  In other words he expected the portal to take the crystal and leave Belle alone.

    May 16, 2016 at 2:58 pm #323922
    RumplesGirl
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    Isn’t there something that can be said about reaching for what matters most even if it’s not logical? Like when the gauntlet led Rumple to the dagger as the thing he cares about most instead of, say, Belle herself or even Neal’s grave.

    So…Rumple naturally thinks that someone would be after the crystal, but the *human* reaction would be to protect the person first, right? Especially the wife and the unborn baby? Even if reaching for Belle doesn’t make sense (why would anyone be after her–even though they were in the end) it’s the human response. But in that moment where he’s trying to decide where the portal is going to open up…he doesn’t reach for his wife (even if it seems less likely), he reaches for the crystal.

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    May 16, 2016 at 3:05 pm #323923
    Sci-Fi Girl
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    But think about this: If your home is on fire, or there is an earthquake, or threat of any other imminent disaster, you don’t think about “what is most likely to be hurt”. You grab what you can carry, and run out of your home.

    In that split second, life or death, what do you grab? Your wallet and laptop? Or your toddler and cat?? I think for most people it would be the toddler, cat etc! Because no matter how necessary your wallet and laptop are, the only thing truly irreplaceable is life. 😐

    Rumple didn’t know where the portal was targeted. It could have swallowed up the whole room, or even just him! If he only grabbed Belle and lost the crystal, at least he would still have Belle! Even if they were taken to some new place, at least they would be together. If he lost the crystal, he would just have to find some other way to wake her. As long as he has her, there is someone to wake! Because what is the good of having the crystal, without Belle??

    SFG

    Edit: Or what RG said. 🙂 (You posted while I was typing.) 😉

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    May 16, 2016 at 3:15 pm #323924
    Gaultheria
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    Isn’t there something that can be said about reaching for what matters most even if it’s not logical?

    Sure: Some people would, some people wouldn’t. We don’t all have the same orientation, to use a loaded word. Plus, Rumpel has had 300 or so years of experience with magic, so he’s like an old martial arts master with conditioned responses that overrule instinct and conscious thought.

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    May 16, 2016 at 3:30 pm #323927
    RumplesGirl
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    RumplesGirl wrote:

    Isn’t there something that can be said about reaching for what matters most even if it’s not logical?

    Sure: Some people would, some people wouldn’t. We don’t all have the same orientation, to use a loaded word. Plus, Rumpel has had 300 or so years of experience with magic, so he’s like an old martial arts master with conditioned responses that overrule instinct and conscious thought.

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    Maybe but think about what SFG said: saving Belle is actually more logical because how can you wake her up when she’s vanished:

    Because what is the good of having the crystal, without Belle??

    The fact that we’re all having such a hard time reading the scene might be deliberate. All season the writers have been testing the waters on which means more to Rumple: Belle or the power/dagger/magic.

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    May 16, 2016 at 3:50 pm #323928
    AKA
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    The fact that we’re all having such a hard time reading the scene might be deliberate. All season the writers have been testing the waters on which means more to Rumple: Belle or the power/dagger/magic.

     

    I would even say they have been testing the waters since Season 4A when they had the gauntlet lead Belle to the dagger which shows a person’s greatest weakness which is  “almost always”  the thing you love the most.  I still believe that wording was deliberate and very specific.  I guess we will find out in Season 6 if Rumple can figure out what he loves the most and if he already knows, to let the rest of us see it.  I still have hope it is Belle.

    May 16, 2016 at 4:15 pm #323931
    RumplesGirl
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    I still have hope it is Belle.

    Losing her through the portal seems to have kicked his butt back into “wife” gear. My hope right now is that no serum from Hyde will work. It can’t be “science’d” away, it must be magicked away and only through a true sacrifice, like giving up his Dark One Power (whether or not I think that’s enough is another matter but since this show likes its grand gestures…) after Spinner!Father! Rumple confronts Dark One Rumple.

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    May 16, 2016 at 4:36 pm #323935
    Keb
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    I think it absolutely parallels losing Bae and Belle’s attempt to keep the memory stone. But I don’t think it shows him choosing power OVER Belle. He needed both to get Belle back. It was the wrong choice, but if he’d had the slightest reason to think the box was in more danger of being taken than the stone (which had already been stolen from him one and a half times at that point), then he would have gone for the box, no question.

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    May 16, 2016 at 4:45 pm #323936
    RumplesGirl
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    He needed both to get Belle back

    Oooh, but does he need both? Belle, yes, for obvious reasons. But does he actually need the crystal (which he thinks will give him “more power”) to wake Belle? No. What he needs is to let go of the darkness, let go his power, and be a better and different man. He doesn’t actually *need* that crystal for anything, he’s just unwilling to do what actually needs to be done to wake his wife.

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