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I think he doesn’t ACTUALLY need both but I think he may believe he does. He tried TLK and presumably he expected it might work…so all that stuff that Emma said may be the writers telling US what Rumple believes right now, too.
I still think it’s because he can’t let go of the Darkness yet, but maybe he’s beginning to think it’s because he’s lost Belle’s love.
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Oooh, but does he need both? Belle, yes, for obvious reasons. But does he actually need the crystal (which he thinks will give him “more power”) to wake Belle? No. What he needs is to let go of the darkness, let go his power, and be a better and different man. He doesn’t actually *need* that crystal for anything, he’s just unwilling to do what actually needs to be done to wake his wife.
Yeah like this is an easy one for me. He doesn’t NEED the crystal. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. To do that, he needs the crystal. But if he just changed to be a better man for Belle, TLK would wake her. In this scene, he pauses and absolutely thinks about what to grab first. I don’t even think he thought he would only have time to grab one of them. It was an instinct for him. He made a very calculated choice. And let’s be honest, he wasn’t even sure if having the crystal and all of storybrooke’s magic tethered to it would bring back Belle. He was simply hoping it would be enough power to make it happen. And in the meantime, he likes the power the crystal gives him.
At what point are the Rumbelle shippers going to stop turning a blind eye to Rumple choosing power over Belle every season. Name one time he chose her over power. The only time that comes to mind is in Season 5a finale, but really he was sacrificing himself for everyone, not just her. The only other time he lost his power was when the apprentice basically forced it out of him to save his life. He had no choice or a real say in the matter.
but maybe he’s beginning to think it’s because he’s lost Belle’s love.
Yes, maybe. But then his thought process is fairly…weird.
“I’ve lost Belle’s love because I can’t be a different man because I desire power too much!”
“How do I solve this problem…??”
“Oh, I know! I’ll get MORE power! Yup, that’ll do it.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes, maybe. But then his thought process is fairly…weird.
I think Rumpel’s point of view goes something like: Belle’s pulled another crazy passive-aggressive stunt, I’ve already had to rescue her from the underworld because of it, and my work rescuing her still isn’t done. Everyone I’ve cared about — Papa, Milah, Bae, and now Belle — keeps trying to manipulate me.
It doesn’t help that natural human lifespans are so short compared to Rumpel’s. The people in his life must seem like badly-behaved pets, and he has to start preparing to lose them to old age from the moment he meets them.
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He tried TLK and presumably he expected it might work…so all that stuff that Emma said may be the writers telling US what Rumple believes right now, too.
Exactly! Rumple does not believe and really never has believed that Belle truly loves him and the fact that TLK didn’t work just reinforces that belief.
I’ve lost Belle’s love because I can’t be a different man because I desire power too much!” “How do I solve this problem…??” “Oh, I know! I’ll get MORE power! Yup, that’ll do it.”
I think his thought process is more like, When I don’t have power I loose the people I love (Bae) so I am going to make sure I don’t loose Belle by having enough power to protect her. Of course this is circular thinking because he lost her because he wanted more power, but I don’t think he has figured this out yet.
Name one time he chose her over power.
I don’t know, how about the time he killed Pan and as a result lost not only all his power but his life also. I would call that choosing Belle and Bae over power.
I think his thought process is more like, When I don’t have power I loose the people I love (Bae) so I am going to make sure I don’t loose Belle by having enough power to protect her. Of course this is circular thinking because he lost her because he wanted more power, but I don’t think he has figured this out yet.
Sure. I think that’s mostly spot on, but at what point is Rumple, at best, hopelessly dense and, at worst, power hungry and refusing to see any alternative besides “more power.” His son literally died and his attempt to get more power (by *twitch* cleaving himself from the dagger) only resulted in Belle banishing him from SB forever. If all *that* isn’t a wake up call, then what is?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think Rumple’s trapped in a cycle of addiction.
He wants power because it makes him feel brave and he’s afraid of going back to his former “coward” self. He’s been at it so long, it’s become a way of life to him and he doesn’t know how to get out of it. It’s basically asking someone to break a lifelong habit at the drop of a hat which is impossible and Rumple’s had this habit for several lifetimes.
Rumple’s go to solution for any problem is magic, it’s almost as if he’s lost the ability to solve a problem without magic.
As has already been said, Rumple going for the shard wasn’t him choosing the crystal over the Belle, he went for it because he thinks he needs it to save Belle plus as was pointed out, the crystal had already been stolen and got back already in the episode so it was logical to think someone wanted to steal it again.. He dove for the box as quickly as he could when he saw it going through the portal.
Had to laugh at Rumple having the box sat comfortably on the car passenger seat, talking to it, putting it on the bed (in fact what would be Belle’s side of the bed since that is the side she slept on in “the crocodile”
Rumple is not beyond hope of redemption.
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Keeper of FelixRumple is not beyond hope of redemption.
Maybe not, but one of the biggest problems with this arc (an arc I did enjoy) is that it tries to sell the idea that one good deed (or one half-hearted, semi-good deed) can wipe the slate completely clean and undoes all the bad. So if Rumple wakes Belle up, say with TLK after he sacrifices his darkness, then he’s redeemed? It doesn’t undo all the pain he caused her, it doesn’t bring back any of his victims, or the terror and fright he unleashed. I know the show is more concerned with redemption over justice but is one selfless act enough to do undo all the bad when there has been that much bad?
(yes, the same last few sentences can be applied to any of the Big 3 Villains on the show)
Is getting rid of the Darkness suddenly going to make Rumple a better man–going with the addiction analogy, addiction isn’t something you “get over” (look at Regina this episode talking about her inner EQ and how she’s always having to squash her down and fight her instincts). This is a life long struggle and we’ve seen Rumple, time and time again, chose magic (the easy path;the path that makes him feel good) over what is hard. He even did it after he was totally cleansed of the darkness the first time!
So this idea that he just needs a wake up call, needs to give up the darkness, and then needs Belle back baffles me because he’s had all that before and it didn’t stick. What about the way this character is written currently and for the past few seasons makes us think it’ll stick this time?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What about the way this character is written currently and for the past few seasons makes us think it’ll stick this time?
Well, this time Rumple has his second child on the way. Look how far Rumple was willing to go the first time to find his beloved Bae — who was the entire reason for the dark curse. Perhaps one of the only times we’ve visibly seen Rumple hand over his dagger was to try and save Nealfire, his first-born child. So, Rumple choosing to go for the Olympian crystal did seem the logical step if he (a) didn’t know a portal was being opened at the time and (b) has no faith that TLK will ever work for him and Belle.
I’m not really a hardcore Rumbelle fan (though I did really like Skin Deep), but even I can pretty much tell they’re just dragging out a Rumbelle TLK until Robert Carlyle leaves (which likely will be at the end of S6). While I don’t think Rumple really deserves to get Belle back after what he did to her, I do think the writers of the show will end Rumple’s final arc with a TLK. Probably Rumple will die in the end (since “villains don’t get happy endings”), but not before he saves Belle and their unborn child.
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So, Rumple choosing to go for the Olympian crystal did seem the logical step if he (a) didn’t know a portal was being opened at the time and (b) has no faith that TLK will ever work for him and Belle.
Well a) he did know because he says “a portal” right before it opens and while your b) is true certainly it doesn’t help anyone to have the crystal but not the girl. Rumple needs more power, in his head, and surely there are other ways to get it; maybe not as fast or convenient as the crystal but there are other ways to get more power. But you can’t get another Belle. I just think the scene is meant to be read as a conflict, in that moment he actually had to stop and think about which one to chose, however he rationalizes it, he had to stop and think. And while he can say “I had to save the crystal to save Belle” it’s an excuse and somewhere, deep down inside, I think he knows it. Or maybe I still hope he does….
but even I can pretty much tell they’re just dragging out a Rumbelle TLK until Robert Carlyle leaves (which likely will be at the end of S6). While I don’t think Rumple really deserves to get Belle back after what he did to her, I do think the writers of the show will end Rumple’s final arc with a TLK. Probably Rumple will die in the end (since “villains don’t get happy endings”), but not before he saves Belle and their unborn child.
And that I agree with. I’m just not sure if it’s going to be fulfilling.
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