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So because of Michael’s tendency to insult people and throw a mini-tantrum just because they have a different viewpoint from him/her, I thought maybe the rest of us should try and move the conversation away from SF vs CS or more accurately:
Everyone: I wonder why they didn’t give CS a TLK when they had opportunities to do so?
Michael: CS ARE TRUE LOVE!!!!!! LALALALALALA I’M NOT LISTENING! YOU’RE ALL WRONG! YOU’RE IN DENIAL! YOU’RE DELUSIONAL!Moving on, what sort of role do you think Regina, Hook and Rumple will play in season 7?
I think Season 7 will be the last of OUAT, at the very least they’re running out of Disney movies and I can’t see people sticking around for characters from obscure fairy tales from around the globe, therefore I’m viewing Season 6 as the Final chapter and Season 7 as the epilogue. Because of this POV, I reckon Regina, Hook and Rumple are going to be the Storybrooke versions (which would explain why A&E wanted JMo involved because no way would Emma not want to help but now they’re going to have to come up with a reason why Emma’s not available to help).
I think Belle, Zelena, and Snowing’s absence will be explained as them staying behind in Storybrooke to look after the babies (Gideon, Robin and Neal respectively). Regina, Hook and Rumple have come to help Henry. Emma’s incapacitated after an accident (I doubt they’d kill her, though some shows do like to give the middle finger to an actor who has decided to leave by doing something horrible to their character) hence why she can’t come.
Henry has followed the Stiltskin tradition of fathers abandoning their children (willingly or unwillingly) so I think his role in the new season will be, not only saving the realms or something because he has “the heart of the truest believer”, but also reconnecting with his daughter.
I think Regina’s role will be moral support and finding a new relationship after the heartbreak of Robin and Daniel’s deaths. She’ll also get some “grandma” scenes with Henry’s kid and be uncomfortable with that role.
Rumple’s probably just going to be used for his knowledge of objects, magic, people, etc. Henry needs someone on the team that can give him info. That was one of Rumple’s functions in the main series (which became Belle’s function when Rumple was being shady).
As for Hook’s role, he’s probably going to be in the “you can do it!” role. He can also link Henry’s experiences with Emma’s. I think they may have Hook tempted by another woman. He won’t act on it but it’ll be enough to give a middle finger to JMo that her character’s true love might cheat on her. When Henry finds out about the “other woman”, he’ll give Hook the cold shoulder for a while but he and Hook will reunite later in the season. It will also give fans something to debate about which would get the show tweets.
I could be completely wrong as I have no clue what they’re going to do in Season 7 but they need to link it back to the first 6 seasons in more ways than just Henry was a character in the first 6 seasons and he’s a character in this.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So I must have not turned notifications off for this forum when I left & have been soundly spammed over the last few weeks with a bunch of the same old passive aggressive CS/Hook bashing by the same old people (nothings changed here I see) & now added petty bickering for good measure.
For those of you who don’t like CS/Hook/Emma for whatever reason & want to try pick holes in it- go discuss your issues with the ship elsewhere- the CS thread was/is supposed to be a safe place for those that actually enjoy the ship to talk about it.If a CSer wants to vent on the CS thread about hate or shade being thrown at the ship… so be it- it’s a “safe place” for him/her to do so! If you don’t like someone venting over what you’ve said that is counter to the ship in said ships safe place, that is too bad for you- go vent on any of the many anti-CS/Hook forums on this site- the passive aggressive hate being touted as “discussion” & brought into the ships “safe place” is a part of what chased most, if not all us original CSers off this site- great to see nothing has changed there *smh*
For those CS fans left on this site wanting to discuss CS I strongly suggest going to one of the many other sites CSer’s use- this site has reputation for being an anti-site… esp anti-CS, so you either have to accept you will be talking to yourself here, or go where the other actual fans of the ship you like are to talk about it- all of us that left here originally certainly felt so much happier away from all the toxicity of this site.
As for the facts of CS-
(FACT being sourced off of the show itself or from interviews rather than personal interpretation or opinion):CS planned or not?
Adam & Eddie planned CS from the start.“Did you always intended to have Hook in love with Emma? Was that something you planned out or was it something that developed because of the actor’s chemistry onscreen?
Eddy: Always.Adam: Always. I mean, listen… You go into these things with the best intentions. That is to say we loved the idea that Hook and Emma would be kindred spirits and that is why we kind of wrote that in the beanstalk episode of season 2. But of course, you know, there’s always the chance that there isn’t any chemistry. We were very lucky that we feel that Hook and Emma have an enormous amount of chemistry so that kind of allowed us to stick to the plan that we wanted.”
https://www.tvfanatic.com/2014/05/once-upon-a-time-producers-tease-struggles-of-redemption-a-shock/
Given they have never contradicted that statement, their word is law there- they also stated elsewhere they wanted Hook for S1 but couldn’t get the rights.
CS =Destined or not:
As for Killian saying/thinking he & Emma were not destined to be together, that’s because as far as he or any of them know (along with anyone else who has a basic grasp of common sense) Captain Hook doesn’t ever end up marrying Snow White & Prince Charming’s daughter in Peter Pan…. As A&E have said from the word go- Emma is/was a new FT princess- this was her story, now she & Hook are confirmed TL & supposedly living HEA, it could later be seen as destined TL- who knows.CS= TL or not:
CS are TL.
To say otherwise is blatantly ignoring not only cannon but also A&E who have also stated point blank CS = TL in interviews (just one example below- others can find more for themselves).“How will Emma and Hook’s relationship change as they overcome her darkness together?
Kitsis: They will be tested like they never have been tested before. We’ll have to see if true love can really conquer all.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-creators-question-839776
In the narrative of the show, CS = TL has been shown on numerous occasions in different ways- either through actions (ie. Emma ditched magic in S3, went along with Rumple’s crap in S2, went to the UW in S5 to name a few examples- just to save Hook, not including making it perfectly clear she didn’t want to live without him, even at the expense of others) /plot device (ie.TL scales/ magic kiss/memory flashes) &/or dialogue (Killian confessed Emma was his TL in S3- Emma said Killian is her TL in S6).Therefore as in any show, cannon states they are TL.
SF = TL or not:
Neal was Emma’s 1st love- that is cannon by all accounts.
Belle stated what she personally believed the reason “could be” for the swan keychain being there. If we do take Belle’s word as law, then to be blunt, the Swan keychain survived simply because Emma was Neal’s TL, but it doesn’t automatically follow that Emma reciprocated & felt Neal was her TL- in fact cannon discounts that because Emma said point blank she didn’t think she would find or have TL until she found it with Killian- therefore by the rules of cannon SF was not a TL couple, despite the fact they did love each other.
IMO SF = TL ship discussion should stay in the SF shipping thread (or at least out of the CS ship forum). It is rude & obnoxious to expect CSers that follow cannon to entertain SF= TL “discussion” in their own ship’s forum.Why no CS TLK?:
Tbh, despite what A&E have said since the finale aired, they went around stating they weren’t planning on S6 being the last season so weren’t planning on wrapping things up with S6 etc. at the start of the season- thats a matter of public record. By Dec/Jan all of a sudden things changed drastically…. Personally, I think it was a combo of A&E finding out some of the main cast didn’t want to return, which in turn meant ABC wasn’t sure if the show would be renewed, so they then made the call to wrap up the current storyline & try to start fresh ‘just in case’- (which as we all know by now is code for ‘reuse the exact same plot, arcs & premises they’ve used at least once before & label it “new/different” *smh*).Going off what JMO has said & when the S7 negotiations were made/ announced, it was rather late in the filming season before they knew exactly who was officially in & who was out of S7 for sure. I doubt until then they really considered a CS TLK as a milestone that was needed before it was “too late”- & tbh, at that point, with all the other CS = TL tropes they’ve used, they probably didn’t feel they had to dumb it down any further & instead went with plan A of bookending Emma’s arc with Henry TLKing her to ‘bring her back from the dead’, the same way she did for him in the S1 finale.
As for what will happen in S7 with Hook- who knows…. [/spoiler] probably some version of what has already been done, which is likely to riddled with plot holes &/or retcons of his established story lol.
IMO- I can’t see how Emma, Killian, Snow, Charming or Regina would be living HEA if adult Henry is living like he is away from them (assumably estranged)- but that fact seems to have escaped A&E totally *shrug* I don’t have high hopes for S7 & no plans to watch it at this stage, so it’s not of concern to me personally what they do *sigh*[/spoiler]Hopefully the spoiler codes haven’t changed & they work on my post- if they have & don’t, sorry.
Have we seen any actual case of True Love where it was only felt by one party and not the other? This keeps being stated and to my knowledge it doesn’t work that way.
Edit: That is to say the logic of that doesn’t really work out when you apply it to other couples. So the keychain surviving means that Emma was Neal’s true love but not vice versa. Does Regina using the pixie dust to find true love (robin) mean he was her true love but not vice versa? Does Emma using the flowers to open the door mean Hook was her true love and not vice versa? I’m not understanding how that works. True love has to reciprocated by both people involved. Not just one. Belles words are still the voices of the writers giving an explanation.
and again, that doesnt invalidate Emma and Hook’a relationship. We are saying that Emma’s lines are not consistent with what we have been shown. it just gets more and more messy the more you think about it
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICIMO SF = TL ship discussion should stay in the SF shipping thread (or at least out of the CS ship forum). It is rude & obnoxious to expect CSers that follow cannon to entertain SF= TL “discussion” in their own ship’s forum.
So, while I appreciate the renewed interest in this thread, this I can’t stand. This thread was dead on here for three seasons. I decided to revive it to “bring some balance” to this forum which I felt had leaned far too heavily on the SF side of things and the Hook bashing was getting ridiculous. That being said, I started posting in this thread again with the idea that everyone would be allowed to voice their opinions, regardless of what ship they like. This is still a safe haven for CS fans.
I was the one who revived this thread and I think everyone’s opinion is important. It gives the show a less biased perspective. And quite frankly, to say other people who want to bring up the SF true love discussion as it pertains to the CS true love discussion don’t belong here and that it is rude and obnoxious, is in and of itself, RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS. Who are you the thread police? Last time I checked it was an open thread and anyone could post in it as long as it was relevant to the thread’s topic. This topic is CS. The discussion shifted toward whether CS really are officially true love and why didn’t share TLK. That set up a compare and contrast debate between the true love discussion between Emma and Neal and whether it was just first love. If you decide you want to react harshly to someone who believes differently than you about a friking tv show, well then go right ahead. But now you are the one being rude and obnoxious.
I posted in this thread again to encourage not only CS fans to start posting again, but also to invite SF fans to chime in with how they feel as well. The fact this cannot be done cordially is sad, childish, and pathetic. The people in the SF thread on these forums always encourage CS fans to post in their thread, as long as it wasn’t malicious. I don’t know why a CS fan would want to post in that thread bc the debate is so incredibly biased and one-sided but such is a ship thread in general. I don’t know why we cannot do the same in this thread. Stop acting like little babies. I encourage the SF fans to continue posting in here going forward as long as it’s relevant, and I’m sorry there has been so much hostility since reviving this thread.
Now as far as Neal and Emma go, I do think it’s possible that one person can love someone else but the other doesn’t love them. However, with true love, I feel like you can’t even obtain true love unless the feeling of love is mutual right?
And although A&E make it seem like they planned CS right from the beginning, are you guys really that delusional that you believe them? And now I’m talking to the CS fans out there….. When Hook was first introduced in season 2, I don’t think anyone can really definitively say that they had that planned since the beginning. These writers don’t plan anything longer than a few weeks at a time it seems. I mean it’s a nice story, and definitely in season 3 I felt the narrative with Hook changed and I saw the writing on the wall, but despite how nice it would be knowing that CS was the plan all along, in season 2 it did not feel like that, and then I think the writers saw the chemistry between Hook and Emma, and they, along with the network, went with it. What do you think? Do you really think right from the start it was always the plan to put Emma and Hook together? Can someone find me lines of dialogue in season 2 that support your reasoning? Not what an A&E said. To me, what comes out of their mouth means nothing.
IMO SF = TL ship discussion should stay in the SF shipping thread (or at least out of the CS ship forum). It is rude & obnoxious to expect CSers that follow cannon to entertain SF= TL “discussion” in their own ship’s forum.
So, while I appreciate the renewed interest in this thread, this I can’t stand. This thread was dead on here for three seasons. I decided to revive it to “bring some balance” to this forum which I felt had leaned far too heavily on the SF side of things and the Hook bashing was getting ridiculous. That being said, I started posting in this thread again with the idea that everyone would be allowed to voice their opinions, regardless of what ship they like. This is still a safe haven for CS fans.
I was the one who revived this thread and I think everyone’s opinion is important. It gives the show a less biased perspective. And quite frankly, to say other people who want to bring up the SF true love discussion as it pertains to the CS true love discussion don’t belong here and that it is rude and obnoxious, is in and of itself, RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS. Who are you the thread police? Last time I checked it was an open thread and anyone could post in it as long as it was relevant to the thread’s topic. This topic is CS. The discussion shifted toward whether CS really are officially true love and why didn’t share TLK. That set up a compare and contrast debate between the true love discussion between Emma and Neal and whether it was just first love. If you decide you want to react harshly to someone who believes differently than you about a friking tv show, well then go right ahead. But now you are the one being rude and obnoxious.
I posted in this thread again to encourage not only CS fans to start posting again, but also to invite SF fans to chime in with how they feel as well. The fact this cannot be done cordially is sad, childish, and pathetic. The people in the SF thread on these forums always encourage CS fans to post in their thread, as long as it wasn’t malicious. I don’t know why a CS fan would want to post in that thread bc the debate is so incredibly biased and one-sided but such is a ship thread in general. I don’t know why we cannot do the same in this thread. Stop acting like little babies. I encourage the SF fans to continue posting in here going forward as long as it’s relevant, and I’m sorry there has been so much hostility since reviving this thread.
Now as far as Neal and Emma go, I do think it’s possible that one person can love someone else but the other doesn’t love them. However, with true love, I feel like you can’t even obtain true love unless the feeling of love is mutual right?
And although A&E make it seem like they planned CS right from the beginning, are you guys really that delusional that you believe them? And now I’m talking to the CS fans out there….. When Hook was first introduced in season 2, I don’t think anyone can really definitively say that they had that planned since the beginning. These writers don’t plan anything longer than a few weeks at a time it seems. I mean it’s a nice story, and definitely in season 3 I felt the narrative with Hook changed and I saw the writing on the wall, but despite how nice it would be knowing that CS was the plan all along, in season 2 it did not feel like that, and then I think the writers saw the chemistry between Hook and Emma, and they, along with the network, went with it. What do you think? Do you really think right from the start it was always the plan to put Emma and Hook together? Can someone find me lines of dialogue in season 2 that support your reasoning? Not what an A&E said. To me, what comes out of their mouth means nothing.
I think the only “evidence” is from the episode Tallahasse, which in my opinion had less to do with Emma and Hook’s relationship, and more to do with Emma’s trust issues and how it reflects with the people she interacts in this episode – Snow, Mulan, Anton and Hook.
Here are a few examples:
1. Emma and Mulan:
Mulan: Come with me. This…powder made from poppies. He has to inhale it.
Emma: Your sword… how strong is it?
Mulan: The most powerful blade in all the realms.
Emma: Is it strong enough to cut through that beanstalk?
Mulan: Indeed.
Emma: Give me ten hours. If I’m not back, you cut it down and keep going.
Mulan: Snow won’t like that.
Emma: That’s why I’m asking you. If I don’t get back, you get her home.2.Emma and Anton:
Emma: I’m not what you think!
The Giant: You’re a thief, and you poisoned me, so yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re exactly what I think.
Emma: No. Look, you have a compass. I need it.
The Giant: I don’t care what you need.
Emma: No, for my son! To save my son! Don’t you have a family?
The Giant: No. Because humans killed them all.
(Emma bites the giant’s hand and he drops her. She runs to Jack’s skeleton and then uses his sword to set off the trap from earlier, trapping the Giant)
Emma: Nice security system. Efficient. (points the sword at the Giant’s face)
The Giant: No. No! No! No! No!
Emma: I can tell by your face you know what this is. Let me guess… it’s dipped in some sort of poison. You have a compass. I need it.
The Giant: You’re going to kill me either way. Go ahead. Kill me.
Emma: You don’t know me.
The Giant: I know your kind. They massacred us, and destroyed our beans.
Emma: I heard it the other way.
The Giant: That’s because the victors get to tell the story. (Emma draws the sword closer) Okay! Stop. Here. (gives her the compass) See? I’m not the bad guy.
Emma: Maybe you are telling the truth. Doesn’t really matter. I have to go. Are there anymore of you?
The Giant: No. I’m alone.
Emma: What’s this? Is this a bean? Can this make a portal?
The Giant: Not anymore. It was destroyed like the rest of them. I wear it as a reminder… a reminder that you’re all killers.
Emma: You’re wrong.
(The Giant breaks free from the cage and removes a boulder that leads outside)
The Giant: Go.
Emma: Why?
The Giant: Because you could’ve killed me, and you didn’t. You get one favour. Now go, before I change my mind.3. Emma and Hook:
Emma: Hook.
Hook: You are bloody brilliant. Amazing. May I see it? The compass. (shows him the compass) It’s more beautiful than legend. Come. Let’s go. (He extends his hand to Emma but she chains his hand to the wall) What are you doing? What are you doing?
Emma: Hook, I… I… I can’t…
Hook: Emma, look at me. Have I told you a lie? I brought you here. I risked my own safety to help you. The compass is in your hand. Why do this to me now?
Emma: I can’t take a chance that I’m wrong about you. I’m sorry.
Hook: You’re sorry? You’re sorry?! I got you here! I got you the compass!
Emma: I got the compass.
Hook: Well, you’re just going to leave me here to die? Have that beast to eat me, to crush my bones?
Emma: He’s not a beast. And you’re not going to die. I just need a head start. That’s all. (she leaves)
Hook: Swan. SWAN! SWAN!4. Emma and Snow:
Mary Margaret: You told her to cut it down?
Emma: Yes. I couldn’t risk…
Mary Margaret: We go back together. That is the only way. (sternly) Do you understand?
Emma: Yeah. (They hug.)
Mary Margaret: Good. Now, let’s go get that dust from Cora.
Emma: Yeah, and go home.
Mary Margaret: Mm-hmm.Also notice that this was the first time that Emma initiates the hug between her and Snow. Why? Because people always left Emma and she expected Snow to leave, but she didn’t, she stayed for her and that is significant for Emma.
So I have two questions:
1. Why is Hook and Emma’s advanture more important than that moment she shared with her mother?2. Why didn’t people start shipping Emma with Anton? I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he is less attractive than Hook.
"All your questions are pointless"
I don’t think this should turn into a SF vs CS debate, but the question was just why the writers didn’t give Hook and Emma a TLK or make their having True Love very obvious/a spectacle in a clear way. For Snowing, it was the kiss that tells us. For OutlawQueen, its the dust. For Rumbelle it was the kiss. For Swanfire, it was the necklace. Sure, the door could count for CS, but you would think something more especially at the finale where they know that JMO wont be returning that they would really do a whole song and dance (heheheheh see what I did there)
I think True Love has to be mutual. Someone can definitely have unreciprocated love for another (it could also be an extreme infuation or obsession) but I think for it to be 100% true love in the same magical supernatural way as we’ve seen it, it has to be felt by both parties, not one. So I don’t understand the concept of one person having True Love for another but the other not having it at all.
And again: That doesn’t invalidate Emma and Hook’s relationship/love whether it be true love or not, because if you love someone you can always love again. Hook loved Milah, Emma loved Neal and if either of them died, its entirely possible they could find true love all over again in time.
And now I’m talking to the CS fans out there….. When Hook was first introduced in season 2, I don’t think anyone can really definitively say that they had that planned since the beginning. These writers don’t plan anything longer than a few weeks at a time it seems. I mean it’s a nice story, and definitely in season 3 I felt the narrative with Hook changed and I saw the writing on the wall, but despite how nice it would be knowing that CS was the plan all along, in season 2 it did not feel like that, and then I think the writers saw the chemistry between Hook and Emma, and they, along with the network, went with it. What do you think? Do you really think right from the start it was always the plan to put Emma and Hook together? Can someone find me lines of dialogue in season 2 that support your reasoning? Not what an A&E said. To me, what comes out of their mouth means nothing.
I think they always planned:
– Rump to lose his wife to a “dashing captain Hook” and for Rump to be the “crocodile” to cut off his hand. Rump was already the fairy god mother.
– I think Hook was always supposed to return to battle Rumpel in present day at some point.
We know for a fact that once Colin was casted they expanded the role, and that the season went into a different direction, and that Peter Pan was never intended to be Rump’s father and I don’t think we were even supposed to be going to Neverland (but I’m not sure on that, correct me if I’m wrong) and so here is where I think season 2 was made better but at the cost of making season 3 onward worse. I think:
– Hook and Emma were planned to be “kindred spirits”, that Hook would have a thing for Emma, and it would be a will they/won’t they thing as with all love triangles.
– I don’t think Hook was supposed to actually end up with Emma nor do I think he was supposed to even survive past the Peter Pan arc. I still thinks its a huge missed opportunity that Pan and Hook didn’t fight or really interact that much in an arc about their story. Hook should have teamed up with Rump and took Pan down and BOTH of them would have solidified themselves as heroes.
Now, Hook proved to be very popular in season 2 and 3 and obviously there were a lot who wanted to see them together and thus the rest is history. I don’t think it was planned from the start at all. But that doesn’t make it inherently bad. I think the way the ship was written and handled by the writers is the issue.
2. Why didn’t people start shipping Emma with Anton?
QUICK! NO ONE IMAGINE THAT RELATION– OH NO ITS TOO LATE, IM IMAGINING IT!!!
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICThere’s this new wonderful fanfic that gave me ideas of how they could play off CS but not with JMO. Aside from the flashes Hook would have of Emma using recycled CS footage.
What if the curse turned Emma into a swan? Ala Swan Princess and it’s not discovered till much later that Emma is a swan.
Another theory is Emma is in a coma ala Charming. But they keep her in a coma for a while and I remember reading that with Charming they were gonna keep him in a coma for at least till the first half wrapped so I think they could do that with Emma. Have them go in her hospital room in the mid season finale and find it empty ala Emma is awake and now the hunt for the awakened Emma begins.
IMO SF = TL ship discussion should stay in the SF shipping thread (or at least out of the CS ship forum). It is rude & obnoxious to expect CSers that follow cannon to entertain SF= TL “discussion” in their own ship’s forum.
So, while I appreciate the renewed interest in this thread, this I can’t stand. This thread was dead on here for three seasons. I decided to revive it to “bring some balance” to this forum which I felt had leaned far too heavily on the SF side of things and the Hook bashing was getting ridiculous. That being said, I started posting in this thread again with the idea that everyone would be allowed to voice their opinions, regardless of what ship they like. This is still a safe haven for CS fans. I was the one who revived this thread and I think everyone’s opinion is important. It gives the show a less biased perspective. And quite frankly, to say other people who want to bring up the SF true love discussion as it pertains to the CS true love discussion don’t belong here and that it is rude and obnoxious, is in and of itself, RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS. Who are you the thread police? Last time I checked it was an open thread and anyone could post in it as long as it was relevant to the thread’s topic. This topic is CS. The discussion shifted toward whether CS really are officially true love and why didn’t share TLK. That set up a compare and contrast debate between the true love discussion between Emma and Neal and whether it was just first love. If you decide you want to react harshly to someone who believes differently than you about a friking tv show, well then go right ahead. But now you are the one being rude and obnoxious. I posted in this thread again to encourage not only CS fans to start posting again, but also to invite SF fans to chime in with how they feel as well. The fact this cannot be done cordially is sad, childish, and pathetic. The people in the SF thread on these forums always encourage CS fans to post in their thread, as long as it wasn’t malicious. I don’t know why a CS fan would want to post in that thread bc the debate is so incredibly biased and one-sided but such is a ship thread in general. I don’t know why we cannot do the same in this thread. Stop acting like little babies. I encourage the SF fans to continue posting in here going forward as long as it’s relevant, and I’m sorry there has been so much hostility since reviving this thread. Now as far as Neal and Emma go, I do think it’s possible that one person can love someone else but the other doesn’t love them. However, with true love, I feel like you can’t even obtain true love unless the feeling of love is mutual right? And although A&E make it seem like they planned CS right from the beginning, are you guys really that delusional that you believe them? And now I’m talking to the CS fans out there….. When Hook was first introduced in season 2, I don’t think anyone can really definitively say that they had that planned since the beginning. These writers don’t plan anything longer than a few weeks at a time it seems. I mean it’s a nice story, and definitely in season 3 I felt the narrative with Hook changed and I saw the writing on the wall, but despite how nice it would be knowing that CS was the plan all along, in season 2 it did not feel like that, and then I think the writers saw the chemistry between Hook and Emma, and they, along with the network, went with it. What do you think? Do you really think right from the start it was always the plan to put Emma and Hook together? Can someone find me lines of dialogue in season 2 that support your reasoning? Not what an A&E said. To me, what comes out of their mouth means nothing.
CS was absolutely the plan from get go. I always found in intriguing that the one episode in the show Emma never appeared in was the introduction episode of her true love.
And on top of that just look at 2×06, the writing in that episode is completely clear. Neal was the past, and Hook was the future.
She started having strong feelings for Hook but couldn’t take a chance that she was wrong about him, the same way she took the chance with Neal. She couldn’t do it again. CS was obviously the plan from the beginning, the fact that they wrote their stories as being kindred spirits and being able to connect and understand each other when nobody else could was another clear indication.
I’m pretty sure there would have been way more CS development in S2B if Colin did not break his foot. That completely screwed over all the plans. They had to shelf everything to S3. I firmly believe if Colin did not break his foot, CS would have gotten a lot closer if not kissed before the end of S2. The triangle would have been way more present as well and I believe Neal’s death would have actually stuck and he wouldn’t have survived.
What if the curse turned Emma into a swan? Ala Swan Princess and it’s not discovered till much later that Emma is a swan.
Despite being very obvious, this is actually pretty funny just because I would DIE to see Hook actually have to kiss a swan to get it to turn back into Emma. It’d be cool if they also had flashbacks of princess and the frog to parallel it all with.
Another theory is Emma is in a coma ala Charming. But they keep her in a coma for a while and I remember reading that with Charming they were gonna keep him in a coma for at least till the first half wrapped so I think they could do that with Emma. Have them go in her hospital room in the mid season finale and find it empty ala Emma is awake and now the hunt for the awakened Emma begins.
But this season/reboot of the show isn’t about Emma anymore or Hook finding Emma. We are on something entirely different.
This is now HENRY’S story. About Henry’s family. I don’t think anything should be wrong with Emma, personally. Not dead, not in coma, not missing. I think the biggest issue in terms of Captain Swan simply needs to be the fact that they are indeed separated because of some new curse. And so in order for that to not be so, Hook has to team up with Henry and what ever cast of characters to find out who the new villain is so they can defeat them.
Hook can still want to find Emma and all that, but the main focus should be handling the reason as to why they aren’t together. Hook needs to want to whoop some serious dark patooty! This shouldn’t be finding Emma, it should finding Henry’s wife, daughter, whomever.
And on top of that just look at 2×06, the writing in that episode is completely clear. Neal was the past, and Hook was the future.
Just because you are interpreting things that way doesn’t mean that for everyone else. I also disagree with this, seeing as Emma admits she loved neal and would never stop. Had he not died, I don’t think she’d have just pushed him to back and Hook to the front. But that’s personal interpretation.
CS was obviously the plan from the beginning, the fact that they wrote their stories as being kindred spirits and being able to connect and understand each other when nobody else could was another clear indication
I think Emma has a few people on this show who she connected with and understands like no one else. Lily. Neal. Hook. Elsa. Being Kindred doesn’t mean automatically in love. I will never say that Emma and Hook didn’t mesh (that’s why I wanted him to stick around for awhile in season 2. They worked well together and I saw him as the deputy to her sheriff so to speak).
I believe Neal’s death would have actually stuck and he wouldn’t have survived.
The only way for Captain Swan to be together is for Neal to have died? I don’t think that’s how it should be, but not only do I agree with you, I think JMO does too. So long as Neal was alive, I don’t think Emma and Hook could have been together. I personally do believe that’s why killed him off. Not because his character was unpopular. Not because it was always the plan. But because when they decided to go with Hook/Emma, they had to cut the only person who actually would have needed up with her. I believe it was POM who said that CS (I’m paraphrasing) basically doesn’t work because it wasn’t like Emma actually had to chose. Neal just died, and Hook “won” her by default in this show’s logic.
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