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emmajones wrote: HE RETWEETED!!! Our Ship is sailing on it’s own! #CaptainSwan #Iminitforthelonghaul
Omg, Colin and Jen are the biggest CS shippers EVER. (Apart from Adam and Eddie that is lol)
@CaptaineAla You just officially killed me T__________T.. I died happy though! hahaha..Edited: to avoid too much images
[adrotate group="5"]I did have to laugh at this one though. Totally describes the ups and downs of shipper life. http://ashermajestywishes.tumblr.com/post/69810111447/basically-how-i-am-with-all-my-otps I’d say that’s….fairly accurate though they could have ended on a more positive note!
Haha, that is great!
Hi guys,
I’m new to this forum but I’ve been a lurker for a long time. As it seems, I am a HUGE CS shipper who wants them to be endgame. I’ve been in the CS tag on Tumblr for some time, and I wanted to discuss things with more people.
It’s all very nice to want things for our ship (aka endgame), but I think sometimes we see too much into things and forget the larger picture. In my case, is to NOT only think about what’s happening in the present in the show, but also to see things in the long term. And things from the writer’s perspective.
So… here it goes.
As much as things are looking GREAT for our ship right now, I think we’ll be screwed in the long term (and DON’T quote me Hook’s long haul… more on that later). For me the basic hint for this is the typical “Wrong guy first” resolution to a love triangle on a series. SF in the past doesn’t count, as it’s not the present narrative. We follow the show in the present, so we should count that. This means Hook is the wrong guy and Neal is the true love guy (sigh).
And no, for now I don’t feel that Neal will be the doom of this theory of mine, but Tink.
NO, don’t tell me “bla bla she was so done with his flirting”. My reasoning for that are Rose’s recent interviews and also her recent tweets.
@euphoriapotion I hope so… @AdamHorowitzLA
— Rose McIver (@imrosemciver) December 13, 2013
@TigeyGirl I hope TInk gets a lovely relationship, must have been cold in Neverland in Winter.
— Rose McIver (@imrosemciver) December 13, 2013
So it’s pretty much confirmed that Tink will be in the second part of the season, and WILL get a love interest. Yes, she’s needed for the development of OutlawQueen, BUT. I don’t think they’d bring in her relationship with Hook in the past for nothing, for it not to be explored. Also don’t think we’ll be getting her flashback this Sunday. So although she said “That’s never gonna happen!”, I fear she might somehow fall in love with Hook in the future. Usually when a character says this, it means that it’ll work the other way around (much like Emma’s “one time thing”… still waiting for that second kiss!) We haven’t seen the moody Tink as well yet, she has been pretty much a “background” character. So… I have high suspicions they might use her to solve the CSF triangle. Some weeks ago, fellow shippers said “HA! Never gonna happen, she shot him down right away!!” but YOU CAN’T preview how things will be in the future. They could pretty much give all the CS goodies, and you could never know, towards the middle of the second part of the season, we could see the end of our ship 🙁 Much like the resolution to Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Juliet. I also don’t think that person will be Neal. They had almost no interaction at all until now, and I don’t think they’d tease her past connection with Hook only to have her end up with someone else – it seems to good to be true. It’s like trying to see Hookedqueen happen (almost no interaction at all… it’s easy to see the signs).
Don’t know how it would work for Hook though. I don’t think he had any REAL feelings for Tink in the past (aka Ecco Cave revelation), but maybe something happens in the future where he realizes that maybe he wouldn’t be good enough for Emma, or something like that. And slowly, as Tink has been guarding her feelings for him (or maybe agressively pursuing him – that would be Tink), he’d start to realize that maybe he’d have a future with her. That solving Emma’s conflicted emotions, to ONLY after that, we start to see Emma fighting her emotions about Neal, only to end up in the end of the series with him (blabla family together).
Since they reversed the roles of Pan and Hook here, they could have Tink with feelings for Hook instead of Pan in this series. And that would be convenient to work on the slow path of the reconstruction of SF.
I TRULY HOPED I’D BE WRONG. But I see a big red herring in front of us. Everything looks great but that doesn’t mean it’ll be endgame in the end. Why would A&E refer to Hook “Hopes to see a future with Emma” in the beggining of the series? If it were true, it would be revealing the foreshadowed endgame too soon.
Well… that was the post. Don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade… but I just don’t want to be led on as if I was a horse with a carrot.
A very good take on what the Winter Finale – 3.11 “Going Home” Link : Warning, May include SPOILERS: http://sdcitygal.tumblr.com/post/69868828255/thoughts-and-speculation-ouat-winter-finale Edit: for typo/ spoilers
I’m totally in love with this theory too!
A very good take on what the Winter Finale – 3.11 “Going Home” Link : Warning, May include SPOILERS: http://sdcitygal.tumblr.com/post/69868828255/thoughts-and-speculation-ouat-winter-finale Edit: for typo/ spoilers
I love this theory! It does tie everything together nicely. And it supports my own theory that there is no way Hook spent 300 years solely trying to think of a way to kill Rumple to avenge Milah’s death. I think a lot of Hook’s animosity toward Rumple actually is due to Hook’s relationship with Bae. Milah was…not the nicest of gals…or winning any prizes for mother of the year, and I think eventually, Hook’s desire to hurt Rumple for that would have waned a bit. Not completely, ’cause now he’s stuck in Neverland, but a bit. But here come’s Milah’s son, who Hook first takes under his wing because of their relationships to Milah, but then comes to love as a son because of the person Bae is. I think he didn’t give Bae over to Pan as revenge for Bae’s rejecting Hook, I think Hook did it because he knew that kid wasn’t going to survive on his own on Neverland by himself. Safer for Bae to have a forced alliance with Pan, at least at first, than to be completely alone. But I also think it killed him to 1) have to give Bae up and 2) to give him up to Pan. I think his relationship with Bae renewed Hook’s desire to kill Rumple, though this likely wasn’t knowingly on Hook’s part. I also think that’s why he decided to back off when it comes to the Emma/Hook/Neal triangle — both because of his relationship with Bae and now for “the sake of the boy”. Hook may not be anyone’s biological father, but when it comes to some of the parents on OUAT, he shines in comparison.
Not that I don’t think he loves Emma, it’s obvious he looooooves Emma, but whether he realizes it or not, I think some of his motivation this season has to do with Bae and Henry; he’s not just along on the trip as Emma’s puppy. He’s there because NL = Bae, and helping save his son is Hook’s way of honoring Bae. And I think when Emma sees this, she’s going to fall even harder than she has. That’s why I’m hoping they cut with this Emma/Hook/Neal nonsense, and focus on Emma/Hook, Hook/Neal and Hook/Henry
relationships. Such better fodder for storytelling than the old love triangle hoopla.
Hi sakuragi, welcome to the thread!
Of course I’m open to viewpoints but erm…
For me the basic hint for this is the typical “Wrong guy first” resolution to a love triangle on a series.
See, what I and other CSers for a long time have been saying, is that this IS NOT a triangle. Not in the traditional sense, whatsoever.
A traditional triangle is where a woman/man is genuinely conflicted between two partners. The show isn’t “The Vampire Diaries” or anything. This is a show about epic True Love. A traditional triangle IN NO WAY REPRESENTS epic True Love. Because if you think about it, really think about it logically, if Neal was Emma’s TL, there would be no choice to make. Killian wouldn’t even be in the picture. He wouldn’t have a chance. She wouldn’t be vacillating at all.
Because it literally does not make sense with regards to what the show has shown us so far.
Neal is Emma’s roadblock.
The “easy way out” for Emma, which SFers say is Captain Hook (lol) would be to not have a romantic relationship at all. To not open up to anyone. To trust her heart in their hands. To stick with her son and not open up her heart again.
Neal and Emma’s relationship is more than just what we were shown in Tallahassee. It’s made up of that PLUS the decade Emma spent thinking that she was un-loveable. A FREAKING DECADE OF HER LIFE. So, when you think about that, Swanfire’s relationship was spectacularly more bad than good for Emma. Spectacularly. That is what Emma was saying in the Echo Cave – Emma cannot separate the good parts from the bad parts with regards to her love for Neal, and it causes her PAIN. She said so, in fact it was the main point of her secret in the cave. PAIN. AND THAT SHE “CAN’T” CHANGE HER FEELINGS.
Again, not what TL is about.
And no, for now I don’t feel that Neal will be the doom of this theory of mine, but Tink.
Lol – I feel that you are incorrect.
Sorry.
I’m going to be honest here – you’ve gotten my back up a bit. I feel like your post was a tad aggressive in it’s execution (sorry that’s just how I feel) and personally I’d prefer if you didn’t just dismiss whatever we’re going to say about Tink with “bla bla bla”. It’s extremely disrespectful to your fellow shippers and I personally don’t appreciate it.
Again to be honest I got a VERY negative vibe from your post – it’s okay to worry about your ship and ask your fellow shippers for reassurance, but when you come here posting negative things and dismissing our opinions as “bla bla bla”…. this is a place where we come to be happy and excited for our ship. Worries are par for the course. But again, it feels like your mind is made up about Tink and won’t be changed. So if that is the case, why are you coming here?
I don’t speak for anyone else here, but I’m afraid those are my feelings at the moment. I’d appreciate it if you could maybe be a little less disrespectful in future posts.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Sorry I was not trying to be disrespectful, I just didn’t want to type all the reasonings again. Tink is getting a new love interest, and I really scratch my head and can’t see how could it be anyone else. As much as I enjoy my CS with my claws, I like to see things realistically. I don’t think we should dismiss this as a threat. For some reason they’ve been emphasizing her past with Hook instead of mentioning Pan or Neal…
Some of us shipmates like to say “Ha, Tink will fall in love with Neal!” but I see that as too easy. If that was the path, they should have started building their interactions now instead of teasing us with that scene last week. Also, when talking about Tink’s flashback in Neverland, they would mention it as “Tink’s past with Neal”. They ALWAYS emphasize Hook. And from a show’s point of view, I doubt they’d portray something (even if not romantically) in the past to just let it go and never be touched upon again 🙁
Hi guys, I’m new to this forum but I’ve been a lurker for a long time. As it seems, I am a HUGE CS shipper who wants them to be endgame. I’ve been in the CS tag on Tumblr for some time, and I wanted to discuss things with more people. It’s all very nice to want things for our ship (aka endgame), but I think sometimes we see too much into things and forget the larger picture. In my case, is to NOT only think about what’s happening in the present in the show, but also to see things in the long term. And things from the writer’s perspective. So… here it goes. As much as things are looking GREAT for our ship right now, I think we’ll be screwed in the long term (and DON’T quote me Hook’s long haul… more on that later). For me the basic hint for this is the typical “Wrong guy first” resolution to a love triangle on a series. SF in the past doesn’t count, as it’s not the present narrative. We follow the show in the present, so we should count that. This means Hook is the wrong guy and Neal is the true love guy (sigh). And no, for now I don’t feel that Neal will be the doom of this theory of mine, but Tink. NO, don’t tell me “bla bla she was so done with his flirting”. My reasoning for that are Rose’s recent interviews and also her recent tweets.
@euphoriapotion I hope so… @AdamHorowitzLA
— Rose McIver (@imrosemciver) December 13, 2013
@TigeyGirl I hope TInk gets a lovely relationship, must have been cold in Neverland in Winter.
— Rose McIver (@imrosemciver) December 13, 2013
So it’s pretty much confirmed that Tink will be in the second part of the season, and WILL get a love interest. Yes, she’s needed for the development of OutlawQueen, BUT. I don’t think they’d bring in her relationship with Hook in the past for nothing, for it not to be explored. Also don’t think we’ll be getting her flashback this Sunday. So although she said “That’s never gonna happen!”, I fear she might somehow fall in love with Hook in the future. Usually when a character says this, it means that it’ll work the other way around (much like Emma’s “one time thing”… still waiting for that second kiss!) We haven’t seen the moody Tink as well yet, she has been pretty much a “background” character. So… I have high suspicions they might use her to solve the CSF triangle. Some weeks ago, fellow shippers said “HA! Never gonna happen, she shot him down right away!!” but YOU CAN’T preview how things will be in the future. They could pretty much give all the CS goodies, and you could never know, towards the middle of the second part of the season, we could see the end of our ship
Much like the resolution to Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Juliet. I also don’t think that person will be Neal. They had almost no interaction at all until now, and I don’t think they’d tease her past connection with Hook only to have her end up with someone else – it seems to good to be true. It’s like trying to see Hookedqueen happen (almost no interaction at all… it’s easy to see the signs). Don’t know how it would work for Hook though. I don’t think he had any REAL feelings for Tink in the past (aka Ecco Cave revelation), but maybe something happens in the future where he realizes that maybe he wouldn’t be good enough for Emma, or something like that. And slowly, as Tink has been guarding her feelings for him (or maybe agressively pursuing him – that would be Tink), he’d start to realize that maybe he’d have a future with her. That solving Emma’s conflicted emotions, to ONLY after that, we start to see Emma fighting her emotions about Neal, only to end up in the end of the series with him (blabla family together). Since they reversed the roles of Pan and Hook here, they could have Tink with feelings for Hook instead of Pan in this series. And that would be convenient to work on the slow path of the reconstruction of SF. I TRULY HOPED I’D BE WRONG. But I see a big red herring in front of us. Everything looks great but that doesn’t mean it’ll be endgame in the end. Why would A&E refer to Hook “Hopes to see a future with Emma” in the beggining of the series? If it were true, it would be revealing the foreshadowed endgame too soon. Well… that was the post. Don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade… but I just don’t want to be led on as if I was a horse with a carrot. I think you point would be more than vaild- even likely IF you dont take current events into consideration alongside of the historic ones. Nor do I think any of us are thinking CS is going to be plain sailing- that would be far, far to easy! 😉
The one major floor I see in your logic of CS not happening as endgame, is ALL the CS frame work that has been laid down from S1… infact it started with the pilot!
Hook was supposed to be in S1, but they couldn’t work him in due to CR problems or something. So he was brought in in S2, he was to be HEAVILY featured in S2, but sadly for all of us, Colin broke his leg & couldnt do much in the way of filming. Now they could have set someone else up as a future interest for Emma, they could have deepened the whole Emma/Neal dynamic-oats they could have even deepened Neal’s character with Rumple or Henry, since they couldnt use Hook as planed- but they didnt, he just wasnt as important to the story arc they had wanted to show as Hook was- so we got more GOAT, more Regina & more Charming family stuff etc, Emma’s story outside of Henry pretty halted altogether when Hook disappeared & only started back up again on his return.
We’ve had ZERO Tink/Hook build up & I mean ZERO, every other couple has had a quick intro & with in a few short ep’s is ‘doing’ things with their future ‘romantic partner’ – this is the mthod A&E follow, it is true FOR EVERY SINGLE COUPLE ON ONCE!
Now we get to S3, Colin has healed & we can get the story arcs we were supposed to in S2, & then we get a bunch of eps showing us how much alike Hook is to our heros & how much we should like him- because he wasnt ‘really’ a villain as such, along with some other pay offs for hints dropped in S2 😉
There’s also the characters personalities to take into consideration- Hook doesn’t love lightly- nor does Emma, they cling to their love with their whole being- Killian has fallen for Emma & Emma is falling for Killian- that’s not something that can be turned off in 5-10eps 😉
Actually, for me personally- using your own logic, I can more easily see Tink & Bae/Neal being cast in a relationship, as Bae takes the place of Pan. Pan = Orphan boy, who thought his parents abandoned him, so didnt want to grow up & Bae- who thought his father didnt love him & gave him up, so he was an orphan too.You have to consider that Tink isnt the ‘same’ Tink from the stories either- she’s not quite as reversed as Pan & Hook, but she is jaded & magic-less, rather than vindictive, magic & in love ‘with the story’s hero’- she isnt in love with Pan, but I cant see her loving Hook ‘this story’s hero’ either- that only leaves her with the last NL tie in (using your logic) being the Pan stand in- Bae/Neal. If we go by facts, she didnt go out of her way to ‘help’ the NL 5- so I dont see her being in love with Hook at all, other wise she’d fall all over herself to help him (like she did with Regina)- they’re old acquaintances from what I can see. Then you have Tink being more than willing to help- keen even, when Neal/Bae shows up- so she does have ‘warm’ feelings for him. Then there is the very telling reunions – When Hook & Tink 1st meet again, there was no lovely big, warm smiles- so while they do have history, I cant see it being an overly likable one tbh, their meeting was less than ‘happy to see you again old friend’ Compared to the Tink & Bae/Neal meeting for the 1st time, where she & he both get lovely big smiles on their faces & share a long look- so they DO have a positive history (just not of the romantic kind I assume & we just havent seen it yet), so there is ALREADY ‘liking’ seeing each other now.
We’ve also been told that Tink can only feel one emotion at a time etc. So if she does have some feelings for Hook, she shouldnt be able to have them for Neal/Bae as well.
I’m not saying what say isnt possible at all, just that there is more to it than at 1st glance (for all we know Tink & Mulan could get together 😉 ) & personally I still see CS happening as end game- Rumple didnt ditch Belle & go back to Cora after all, so I’d rather follow the clues Adam & Eddy leave for us CS shippers & skip merrily down the CS path lol 😉
As doubtful as it is, if someone else came along, who Emma was better off/happier with than Killian & another charter that Killian was better off/Happier with than Emma came along, then I’d ship them with them- however Killian & Emma work, they complete each other completely- like Charming completes Snow, so I just cant see how they’ll top CS 🙂
For some reason they’ve been emphasizing her past with Hook instead of mentioning Pan or Neal…
Personally I feel it’s because it’s relevant to the storyline. Why would a past romantic relationship between Hook and Tink be relevant to the storyline? Seems pointless to me. Because Tinkerbell was not enough to change the course of Killian’s life and stop his revenge quest. That would make for a pretty boring flashback.
I have absolutely zero worries about CaptainFairy or whatever it’s called. Whatever happened in the past between Killian and Tink (which I personally think was nothing “that’s NEVER going to happen” indicating that nothing has happened and nothing ever will) I just cannot take seriously because she was unable to get him to stop his revenge.
Killian didn’t have hope for a Happy Ending….. UNTIL HE MET EMMA
Meeting Emma – CHANGED THE COURSE OF KILLIAN’S LIFE
You can’t discount the importance of that.
Killian didn’t have HOPE until he met Emma
Emma has a flame of HOPE around Killian
AND HAPPY ENDINGS START WITH HOPE.
‘Nuff said.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
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