The Captain Swan thread!

[CaptainEala]

omg

everyone should read this

OMG I NEED THIS TO BE REAL

http://onceuponamirror.tumblr.com/post/70172598108/forget-me-nots

[emmajones]

 

THIS

[CaptainEala]

THIS

 

I JUST SAW THIS ON TUMBLR AND DIED

ALL OVER AGAIN

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

[MysteryKat25]

Very good point. Sad but very true. Neutral territory just isn’t neutral anymore and everything boils down to the triangle. Even after a HUGE episode with a LOT of emotional stuff going on..it still boiled down to the shipper stuff. I will be so glad when we flail about that stuff here, and then go back safely into neutral territory.

LOVED EVERYTHING for CS tonight. By “loved” of course I mean my heart was broken in a million ways but I have so much hope right now it’s ridiculous. With everything else that happened in the episode that was hugely emotional, I still came out of it with hope. The only thing I was remotely concerned about was my ship because I literally see no way that any of the other bad stuff can last. My heart was ripped and shredded in a million different directions, but I still came out of it with HOPE for everything and got very lucky in being able to say the same for my ship!

PARALLELS!

1. I’m working on a meta right now but I wanted to quote Charming’s letter to Snow here. I’ll finish my write-up on this and link it later but someone pointed this out on Tumblr and it is JUST TOO GOOD!

Dearest Snow.

I’ve not heard from you since our meeting and can only assume you found the happiness you so desired, but I must let you know not a day goes by that I have not thought of you. In two days time I am to be married. Come to me before then. Come to me and show me you feel the same and we can be together forever. And if you don’t, I will have my answer.

Snow showed up and then had to turn him down and LIE to him that they could never be together and he STILL risked his life and went after her when the safer thing to do would be to marry Abigail. He couldn’t marry someone he didn’t love, his true love was out there, and her showing up even to turn him down made all the difference. The letter even said he’ll have his answer and they hadn’t even KISSED at this point. She showed up and it gave him enough hope and faith to track her down.

2. It was these events that led to her taking the memory loss potion to forget him, where he tried to break the spell with a TLK which DID NOT WORK and she violently shoved him. Words, words, words. Didn’t work. TLK? Didn’t work because she COULDN’T REMEMBER HIM. Which is just like how BELLE violently reacted to Rumple when he kissed her to try to bring back her memories. TLK DOES NOT WORK WITH MEMORY CURSES (See Jane’s tweet confirming what we should have known from Heart of Darkness way back in S1.)

3. Next we have the pilot. Henry goes to find Emma who is living a somewhat nice-ish life though lonely. He barges in to her world, tells her she has to go save everyone and bring back the happy endings, he’s family, etc etc etc. We spend an entire season of his getting to her and winning her over and convincing her to believe so that the curse can be broken by a TLK between them.

Hook has done something (somehow – we don’t know how yet!) it took Rumple centuries to do – travel from the EF to our world that has no magic in it. He did it in a year. Henry took a whole season to convince Emma to believe, and it looks like Emma might believe him in 3×12! HUG! Both knocked on her apartment door in a city that isn’t SB, told her they were some long-lost person that’s actually very important to her in some way (her son, an old friend), and that she was needed to go off on this thing that she doesn’t know how to compute or add up. BEAUTIFUL! Henry is definitely one of her TL and now we have Hook doing some of the same things!

Other stuff!

1. “Good” – he told her he would think of her every day and she ENCOURAGED him to not forget her. For me it was a very Han/Leia thing (they love their Star Wars!) when Leia says ILY and Han says “I know” – it said it without saying it as goodbye was imminent and too painful but it was encouraging in its own way (THE EYES – they wound me but make me so happy all at the same time and she started tearing up!)

2. CAPTAINS SWAN reference. I did my methods of transportation meta about her bug and his ship ages ago, but they practically threw our name out there with him trying to make her smile over something stupid when their worlds were falling apart and it was beautiful.

3. Emma didn’t seek him out to say goodbye. Why is that a good thing? It was avoidance that was similar to baby Henry. She couldn’t even LOOK at baby Henry because it was too painful for her. Saying goodbye to Hook was something that he needed because he’d remember, but it was painful for her to think about so she didn’t seek him out. She hugged everyone bug him pretty much, but their eyes and their positive exchange said so much.

4. Hook let her go. Again, why is this a good thing? Because it was her choice. She was the only one that had an option to stay with Henry and others kept telling her to do it but she did it because she WANTED to. She didn’t want to be separated from her son and Hook did NOTHING to try to convince her to stay. His head turned sharply when Snow told Emma she had to go and leave them. It was his reaction that we were shown, that poor, startled, depressed face that realized that he was about to lose her. But he didn’t try to stop her, or to stand in her way, or put any pressure on her with a hug or a kiss or an end of the world declaration. He made sure that she knew, even though she’d forget shortly, that someone would miss her, and think of her always, and he let her go because he couldn’t separate her from her son. Because even remembering everyone else, including him, it would be too painful for her to lose Henry, and he didn’t want that for her.

5. Showing up in NY! All the parallels I’ve already talked about but why him? Because he gets through to her faster than anybody. I’ve said it from the start (seriously, see page 1 of this thread!) He got through some of her walls on that beanstalk when it takes everyone else ages. It looks like he’ll convince her it’s all real by the end of 3×12 and they GET each other. They understand each other. This is a year in the future. Did you see his face? The pure joy he felt of seeing her, even though she didn’t remember him? I don’t know the details or the hows and whys he got there but he GOT THERE and found her and was so relieved.

A year has passed. Everyone has their memories in the EF so there’s likely been quite a bit of bonding going on for various people. CaptainCharming already has a good bond, I said just recently that I think CaptainFire is going to be just fine etc. Hook is in good with them now. They know how much he cares for Emma. Tink points it out every time she talks to him practically. Yet somehow with everyone who presumably could have come, they let him. And he went in there thinking without a doubt, Emma is his TRUE LOVE and that the kiss would work (Charming must have forgotten to mention the issue with no memories but I’m sure Hook had to try anyway). He is in it for the long haul and he came to get his Swan. Beautiful.

6. Speaking of Tink. And everyone was worried about past Hookerbell. I actually enjoyed their scene. I like seeing him that way but we (thankfully) did NOT have to endure a kiss (he has ONLY kissed Emma onscreen!) and it was a way of setting up that Tink KNOWS that he only risks his life for love or revenge. Jump to present day where he knows what is at risk (ie: losing Emma and/or  Emma losing something/someone/everyone she loves basically, they’re fuzzy on the details) and he risks his life like he did to distract Anton which was also FOR EMMA. After he risks his life against the shadow, Tink makes a point of calling him out on the fact that she KNOWS he didn’t do it for himself or for revenge (thus knocking out 2 of the 3 options being “love”) and she says he did it for Emma. 

It was a nice callback to their flashback scene where he recognizes her as a fairy (he is quite perceptive isn’t he?) and says “Aren’t you supposed to be helping me find my happy ending?” and then in present day she IS because she keeps pointing it out to him and mentions Emma all the time! Tink is hardwired to try to set people up with their TLs and she was vindicated tonight by the Blue Fairy and will soon be proven right about OutlawQueen and hopefully CaptainSwan!

7. The music. At first I was a little annoyed. Not really afraid because I believe in CS and I wanted it to be Hook at the door and it really wouldn’t make sense for Neal to go because she wouldn’t remember their more friendly relationship now, just that he left her for jail so she wouldn’t be likely to believe him anyway, but because it’s a song associated with Neal. It was the song that was playing when we first saw him on screen as Neal and I don’t WANT to take any SF stuff (other than Emma of course) but sometimes these things DO overlap because SF is a part of Emma’s life no matter what.

And then something was pointed out to me. Much like the analysis of S2 that opened with the man who didn’t come back and closed with the one who did, we had the same song playing. They don’t usually repeat things like that. We rarely get music from outside sources to begin with. So here we are, in NY, just like Neal was on the day he got the postcard saying “Broken” and the same song is playing.

So the same song that plays when Neal is in NY and chooses NOT to go to Emma when he can even though he knows exactly where she is and is too afraid to go after her even though he regrets it every day, is the same song that plays when Hook shows up in NY and has been thinking about her every day and actually DOES go find her. 

8. THE EYES. The eyes say SO MUCH for these two, don’t they? So much is conveyed with just a look. I felt it in their sad goodbye of missed chances and I saw it again when Emma opened the door. There was a look of shock on her face (why would you be shocked somebody knocked on the door. I know he’s good-looking and all but…) and then when he said he was an old friend her face killed me trying to place him. Even when he kissed her, there was the briefest of moments where she fell into it. Her eyes closed, she leaned in and right when she looked like she really might enjoy it, she realized that it was some random guy who was way too happy to see her and knows her name and just starts kissing her, and she reacts, violently, just like Snow and Belle have in the past. And when she shuts the door and tells Henry it’s nothing, she licks her lips and looks back, wondering what just happened.

9. Snow’s quote. As both Snow & Mary Margaret, we saw her say that “happy endings aren’t always what we expect them to look like but it doesn’t mean we don’t get them” (paraphrasing, I need to find the actual quote). THIS IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING. Neal thought his happy ending was getting back with Emma and Henry but has been coming more to the realization that that’s not it this season. (I’m 99.999999% sure on that and I expect to see some good CaptainFire where he encourages Hook to go after her. PLEASE!) I’m sure at one point Emma thought that Neal and Henry would be HER happy ending and then everything crashed around her. Then she might have been leaning toward Hook (pretty sure!) and she didn’t get the chance because she had to go give up her memories.

But this quote was a very key point to both the characters and the audience. I know many feel like they’re gonna drag out the triangle forever but I feel like it’s pretty much dead and has been dying a slow death since it started. Not since the SHIPPER WAR triangle started, since the actual on-screen triangle started. There’s just too many things leaning toward CS for me to see that differently right now. I’ll find a way to deal with it but I’m pretty confident.

The characters and the audience need to realize that just because somebody doesn’t get what they think is their happy ending doesn’t mean they won’t have one. The WHOLE POINT of a happy ending is that you end up HAPPY and with the person you’re meant to be with and living the life you’re meant to live. If they’re SUPPOSED to be with that person and HAPPY with them then how is that a bad thing? We all have our dreams of what WE’D like for them and not a single one of us will be 100% happy with it no matter how it ends up. We’ll always say I loved this but I wish we had had that in there too. It happens. Same goes for them. They think their happy ending is one thing and then it gets turned on its head but they still find it.

See Snowing’s entire romantic life together for reference, especially when their daughter is involved. In fact they showed that in this episode about how unhappy Snow was because of the curse and losing Emma and how it WASN’T what they planned and how EVERYTHING is ruined and then it turned out ok! Different, but ok!

Snow said that the fun part is in the unexpected AND THAT THEY WILL GET ONE. Neal has just been hurt, a lot, and his poster is Believe in 2nd chances. The whole season, we’ve been building up to Regina getting her 2nd chance with Robin, and Hook getting his with Emma. But now we have somebody else left out (who has now had a year away which is way more time than bouncing from Tamara to Emma, we don’t know what his emotional status is after a year, we just know that he plans to see them again and tries to sound encouraging that it will happen, and that Hook is the one to show up on her doorstep!

SIDE NOTE: I’m inclined to think the time jump was partly to explain the Snowing baby and fit in Ginny’s pregnancy, but it also is very LOST of them as well as giving a year gap where we can compare and contrast how the guys dealt with being away from her. Neal was stood up right before and she never (to our knowledge) addressed that. She went to check on him after he lost his father, and had a sweet goodbye where he basically said “this isn’t the last we’ll see of each other” meaning for her AND Henry and that needs to be true for all their sakes. None of it was romantic, he didn’t even try the ILY like the last time they were separated and he’s been wanting to say. I really really think he’s taken the hint and realized that she pretty much doesn’t want him back, and now he’s separated from them for a year. I’ll be very curious to see how much of that is true and what’s happened since then, but I hope he hasn’t been pining away.

I already feel bad for him but that did feel like more of a friendly goodbye and acceptance that this is the way that they’re in his life and that’s enough for him. I’d love it if we see some CaptainFire bonding after losing her and Neal helps urge him to go to her because she deserves to be happy and she’s happy with Hook! – This will sound like dreaming for a long time I’m sure but I swear the characters get over things faster than the fandom does and that’s the impression I’ve gotten from Neal lately. That he’ll be more ok than we think.

A time jump a year ahead with him feeling like she didn’t choose him and this time it was for good would give him a chance to get some space away from it to deal with his issues and move on. I doubt we’ll see him move on super fast, but he moved on before (and then moved back fairly quickly) and I think a time jump will help make that more realistic. It would also be very LOST of them with Sawyer being sad to see Kate leave and he loved her – I firmly believe that – and then he learned to love Juliet who he spent time with on the island in the 3 year gap before Kate returned in THEIR flashforward story. I loved Skate. Suliet took time to grow on me, and they were interested in the members of Jate before they thought Jack & Kate died on the helicopter, so they moved on with each other and ended up in love, so much so that even though Sawyer was happy to see Kate again, and Juliet was a little jealous and worried about it, it just didn’t matter. I feel like the same will true of Once in that aspect, except that Emma isn’t “dead” just “lost” (no pun intended but that is what Rumple said this episode about Bae being gone and nowhere he could get to at the time).

Neal did say he’d see them again, but that could also have been trying to cheer himself up or make it easier for them to go like they needed to, but it was definitely a more platonic/friendly vibe for me with their goodbye hug. It was sweet and I really liked it. Emma did a good job this episode of backing up the fact that she DOES have feelings for him and cares for him as a person, even though she DIDN’T go to their date which was the signal for back off the romantic stuff. The more romantic goodbye in this one was her getting teary-eyed and encouraging Hook to not forget her, even though she’d forget him in just a few moments. *SOBS*

THIS EPISODE KILLED ME ON MANY MANY LEVELS. Seriously so many things even though I mostly analyze CaptainSwan but I really really loved this episode minus the fact that it tore my heart in a million pieces but that’s what they do to drive the story forward. There has to be some kind of angst and obstacles and that’s ok because everything in this episode, as painful as it was, gave me HOPE and sometimes that’s what you need most!

I’m sure I missed something massive and my brain is fried! Is it March 9th yet???

Chomping at the bit for the interviews we’ll get between now and March! PaleyFest should be in there somewhere too, as well as more filming. They’re inside for the rest of the December before the holiday break so probably not a lot to report anytime soon but at least they’re working on new stuff sooner than they do on the summer break!

I’m looking forward to the interviews about this episode almost as much as I jumping up and down for the one GOOD thing about this episode which were the heart-breaking CS moments. Everything shattered me but gave me some kind of hope. They’ll all be happy. I have faith!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[emmajones]

 THIS
I JUST SAW THIS ON TUMBLR AND DIED ALL OVER AGAIN WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

 

Let’s die together!! I still can’t get over it.. omg I have the producers for the 3 months hiatus.. I need more CS FEELS!!

[CaptainEala]

NO BUT COULD THEY REALLY BE ANY LESS SUBTLE THOUGH

Q: If true loves kiss doesn’t work, does that mean a couple isn’t true love?

Jane Espenson: Not at all, if one has lost memory of one another for example.

Source

 

I just love how some SFers are blatantly dismissing these parallels as nothing important

lol

The show has only been planned extensively for like 9 years

Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

[MysteryKat25]

Public Service Announcement: Let’s not go overboard! The details weren’t ironed out that far in advance and we have a lot of SFers here who are our friends and are as into the details as we are. There will always be those that dismiss what we see as important as we dismiss things they see as important.

That said I DO think these particular parallels are rather big & I’m surprised a lot have forgotten about the memory curse issue with TLK since we’ve seen it with Snowing and  RumBelle, but not seeing it doesn’t make them stupid. For them it doesn’t prove things either way because all they know is that it didn’t work and some will always just say it didn’t work and the parallels don’t matter. It just means we interpret it differently. What else is new?

(This is why I’ve been spending more time on Tumblr. Easier to not have to see the hate and can just enjoy my ship without having to see the negativity. I still like coming back here though.) 🙂

 

Now back to what I came to post that is full of happy happy thoughts.

LOVELY graphics and I’m expecting many more beautiful things once I get to dive into tumblr more & people have a chance to make more gifsets etc. Anyway this is short but sweet & full of feels!

I had finally stopped SOBBING after writing my long post and then someone on tumblr pointed something out.

CS KISSES:

1. Emma grabs Hook
2. Hook grabs Emma
3. ….(please be both going for it at the same time!)

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[emmajones]

1. Emma grabs Hook
2. Hook grabs Emma
3. ….(please be both going for it at the same time!)

 

I sure would LOVE to see that!

[CaptainEala]

I’m working on a meta right now but I wanted to quote Charming’s letter to Snow here. I’ll finish my write-up on this and link it later but someone pointed this out on Tumblr and it is JUST TOO GOOD! Dearest Snow. I’ve not heard from you since our meeting and can only assume you found the happiness you so desired, but I must let you know not a day goes by that I have not thought of you. In two days time I am to be married. Come to me before then. Come to me and show me you feel the same and we can be together forever. And if you don’t, I will have my answer. Snow showed up and then had to turn him down and LIE to him that they could never be together and he STILL risked his life and went after her when the safer thing to do would be to marry Abigail. He couldn’t marry someone he didn’t love, his true love was out there, and her showing up even to turn him down made all the difference. The letter even said he’ll have his answer and they hadn’t even KISSED at this point. She showed up and it gave him enough hope and faith to track her down.

Omg thanks for this! ASDKFJALSDKFJASL;DKF;JKALJSDF

Loved your entire post by the way 🙂

Let’s not go overboard! The details weren’t ironed out that far in advance and we have a lot of SFers here who are our friends and are as into the details as we are. There will always be those that dismiss what we see as important as we dismiss things they see as important.

Lol sorry

My friend here in Ireland got an anon being all like “the parallels don’t mean anything”

And I just have to laugh

Not actually trying to be mean or anything I promise, I just find it amusing

But the parallels and foreshadowing are woven into the storyline – this is a planned story (evidenced by the fact that I predicted we’d be getting a CS kiss after the Snowing scene in 3×03 – and look we did! And we got a drink toast too) and the parallels and foreshadowing DO mean something

I’m just so happy right now 🙂

 

Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

[emmajones]

 

Like mother like daughter :p

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