The Captain Swan thread!

[CaptainEala]

MysteryKat25 wrote:

1. Emma grabs Hook
2. Hook grabs Emma
3. ….(please be both going for it at the same time!)

I sure would LOVE to see that!

mE tOO

prayer circle

[CaptainEala]

OMG I AM NOT OKAY?

I’m sorry if someone already pointed this out but… the episode was called “Going Home”, and it literally ended with Killian returning from the place he should’ve called his home and going back to Emma, because SHE is his home.

Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

[CaptainEala]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I’M FINE

I was hoping it’d be you.

I was hoping it meant something.

I was hoping you felt as I did.

 

HAPPY ENDING START WITH HOPE

I’M FINE

Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

[swanning-off]

Well I personally think this episode confirmed CS as true love.

We know he loves her. We still aren’t clear on Emma’s feelings. Which is why I say Hook is her Mr Right Now. I need convincing he is her Twoo Wuv, but it’s certainly possible.

Captain Swan is a lot of sparks and UST from both parties, but the only declarations of love have come from one direction: his.

Emma’s feelings are not so clear. What is clear is that she wants him, hence why I’ve dubbed him her Mr Right Now (on the kitchen counter….!) But there haven’t been declarations of love. If anything, we’ve had Emma declare her love to Neal albeit with an enormous disclaimer: I love you more than anything but I wish you were still dead because it hurts too much.

This is what I like about this show. It’s open to interpretation.

“I won’t forget you Swan.” “Good” (don’t you dare forget me Hook)

or “I won’t forget you Swan.” “Good” (that’s nice… you weird man.)

“I love you more than anything but I wish you were still dead”

or “I love you more than anything but I wish you were still dead”

It’s not clear cut. It is very much, like someone noted earlier, like Han and Leia. “I love you!” “I know” – that’s one of the most accurately romantic lines ever! He didn’t need to say anything else because he said it non verbally, but audiences had several years of fangasming between Empire and Jedi to dissect whether he meant “of course you do, I’m the best thing since sliced bread” or “I know you love me and I love you”

That is basically what is happening here with Neal and Hook and Emma. I’m totally OK with this.

 

…. as long as she eventually gets to “have” Hook. On the kitchen counter. 😉

[surayya]

[/quote]Snow’s quote. As both Snow & Mary Margaret, we saw her say that “happy endings aren’t always what we expect them to look like but it doesn’t mean we don’t get them” (paraphrasing, I need to find the actual quote).

100000000% this – I too keep saying it…. just because 1st loves together with kids, is what a HEA “should” look like, doesn’t mean it actually IS what a HEA really WILL be like.

 

Now about the ep …… SO MANY FEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I actually teared up & I cried- I honestly cried this time- it doesnt happen often, but Emma, Killian & Regina knocked it right out of the park this time- heartbreaking stuff!

Not gonna lie, have watched the last 13mins of this ep WAY more than I should lol 😉

Love the way Killian whispers “Emma” & she spins to look at him.

He sees she’s totally brokenhearted & trying to keep a hold of ‘keeping it together’, so tries to lift her up a little with a cheery compliment & a big smile “That’s quite the vessel you captain there, Swan” & she’s give a heartbreaking, bittersweet, little smile & breaths a tiny ‘ha’, appreciating his attempt (no, this bit is real- her response was genuine- I recently read some research articles on the subject, turns out it is quite well researched & has come in handy for this ep, when I put it on frame by frame {I didnt lie when I said I’d watched it WAY too much lol :p } the response she gave, is ‘actually’ genuine- so she nailed it, even if it wasn’t on purpose lol), then sniffs & looks at him with heartbreakingly sad, tearful eyes as she realizes this really is ‘good bye’.

Killian’s eyes get intense & full of love as he says “There’s not a day will go by, that I wont think of you” Emma’s face loses some of the brokenheartedness as she responds “Good”.  To which Killian responds with a beautiful, heart warming, hope fulled smile, & Emma responds with her own little bittersweet, tenderly hopeful smile as they gaze into each others eyes …. can I just say it is AMAZING how many times in one ep A&E can kill you dead with CS feels- they break your heart, you die of feels, your heart starts bleeding again, they have you explode with hope, then they kill you dead, before they build you back up for some more death by feels lol

 

Can I also say, Killian is the only one whom she was able to attempt to smile for …. again, it is him who gives her her “happy” moments between the bad. *dies of feels*

Also the ‘triangle’ good byes were just so different, like STARKLY, contrasting in difference- The SF one was like friends saying good bye when going on a trip- Emma apologizing to Neal (close up of Emma’s face, which shows- sadness). Cut to group shot of Emma, Henry & Neal- side on, so no real emotional responses are shown. Cut to over the shoulder shot of Emma’s face/expression again as they hug (Emma looks sad again). Cut to over the shoulder shot of Neal’s face- smiling? (it occurs to me I could be reading him wrong- but thats what it looks like to me personally) at Henry, then cut to close up of Neal, being resigned… guarded… pretty sure he’s meant to be sad though???? (not gonna lie, I find it REALLY hard to pick his emotions/emotional expressions out- especially when we have so many fantastically talented core cast, who can say everything with a look & you just ‘know’ what they are feeling & thinking with out a word spoken), as he says “This isnt over, I’ll see both of you again”. Cut to side on group shot of Emma, Henry & Neal- Emma tightens her lips & nods once in response to his statement (I cant call it a declaration, because it just didnt have any feeling behind it)- but cant see their facial expressions/emotional responses again- there is just so little shown in the way of emotions- on either side here, which is why it is such a jarring contrast to the CS Good bye immediately following it:

This is like to lovers saying goodbye – Shot of sad Emma as she turns to Killian. Cut to extreme close up of Killian’s concerned, caring, then carefully cheery expression, as he tries to lift her spirits a little. Cut to over the should shot of Emma’s bittersweet response- zooming in as she follows that expression up with one of heartbreaking sadness, as she looks up into his eyes. Cut to close up of Killian’s intense loving/sad expression, as he says “There’s not a day will go by that I wont think of you”. Cut to extreme close up of Emma’s expression of sadness mingled hope (& dare I say belief & almost longing/want), as she responds “Good”. Cut to extreme close up of Killian’s hopeful, bittersweet expression & hope-fulled smile. Cut back to extreme close up of Emma still gazing into Killian’s eyes with an expression of  sadness, hope & longing, as she give a little bittersweet smile. Cut to group main cast shot, show’s Killian & Emma still gazing into each others eye’s as Killian backs away, then turns away await his fate next to the Charming’s. SO MANY CLOSE UPS OF BOTH OF THEIR EMOTIONAL RESPONSES & EXPRESSIONS! These 2 good byes, were shot so differently & it’s not subtle what we are meant to come away from these scenes thinking! SO MANY FEELS!!!

I’ll also point out that Emma was pretty much done keeping it together after Killian said good bye & Regina called out to her expression when she says “What now” is so heartbroken & overwhelmed at the end of taking all this. At the end of the Regina giving her & Henry good memories, she glances at Killian & her parents, before Snow kisses her good bye & after they get in the car & we scan the expressions of those left behind, Killian, charming, Snow & Regina are the only faces/expressions focused on- again heartbreaking *sobs*

The amount of plant life in Emma’s & Henry’s apartment is very interesting- esp the type of plants chosen 😉

Can I just say LOVED Killian at Emma’s door- his face was so hopeful & lit up when he saw Emma (although I do wonder how he found her …..(*cough please be Tink showing him Emma is his TL/soul mate cough* Wishful thinking I know- but it could happen outside my dreams lol). I think it was Kat (sorry if it was someone else) who mentioned the similarity between Emma’s reaction after shutting Killian out & that of Emma’s reaction to Henry barging in & announcing who he was- she had a very similar expression on her face then & now- I do have to wonder if Killian’s kiss triggered ‘something’ maybe, or maybe she just felt he was being honest (as in he believed) in what he was saying- but was kinda crazy, either way he didnt scare her into calling the cops right then- I know I would have, I certainly wouldnt have left the door open long enough to chat some more, after having to kick some strange dude in his crown jewels, for randomly planting one on me’- the door would slam, the ph would be in use & the police called right then & there, so she was affected, be it his words about them being old friends, or her family being in danger, or the 1sec kiss – all I can definitively say is she seems to have been affected deeply, in a similar way that Henry affected her, back in the pilot.

Loved that we are proven right yet again, with Tink pushing the fact that Killian loves Emma, she may even be a bigger CS shipper than Regina is LOL 😉

 

Love the gifs & everyone thoughts- now for almost 3mths of Oncelessness :/

[surayya]

Oh, just another thought to add to the whole TLK thing….. would TLK even work in our ‘world without magic’? I mean obviously it worked in SB- SB was a magical town imposed on our magicless world, so I wonder- would ‘magic’ like that- magic that has to be ‘generated’ (not sure thats really the word I’m looking for) with-in, actually work outside of SB itself? I mean the price for bring magic to our world, was they lost their memories if they left SB, But it was pointed out to use more than once recently, that magic doesnt work outside of SB.

Yet, we know the Dragon gave people ‘magical’ potions- but we dont know if he actually ‘made’ them from some magical source brought to our world (like SB), if he ‘acquired’ them from another world & brought them here, or if he simply was able to ‘make’ magic here, as he was magical himself & was able to express it here (which we’ve been told he shouldnt have been able to by Rumple- like a million times)- so was he a one off, or was Rumple & Blue way off the mark calling this world ‘without magic’, because if magic can be used here (outside of SB), then this world isnt really ‘a word without magic’ but ‘a world with magicless people’ … wondering if this might be another plot hole :/

[killianhookfan]

I am such a pile a mush after last night.

We got so many CS moments – SF just doesn’t exist at all in a romantic sense, in a family sense – absolutely. But other than that, I honestly see nothing else from either Emma or Neal to suggest any kind of lingering romantic feelings. Obviously Neal wants to see Emma and Henry again – they are his family, but I think it was pretty clearly established last night that the entire group has become one big family – some just have more genuine ties than others.

What I loved the most about the episode? Killian was the man he wanted to be throughout the entire episode. He never once back-peddled into Hook. It KILLED me when we saw the look on his face when he realized he was going to lose Emma. 300 years of getting over his first love before he finds his True Love and now he is going to lose her as well. So when he tells Emma there won’t be a day that will go by that he won’t think about her, you KNOW it’s true. He thought about Milah for 300 years and she wasn’t even his True Love. Emma’s “Good” response to me was just like the Star Wars “I know.” She knows he thought about Milah for 300 years, she doesn’t have to even question whether he is just saying that he will think about her every day because that is something you say when you are saying goodbye, she KNOWS from experience with him that it is true. And the smile that Killian gave Emma?? Gahhhh!!!! To me that was an acknowledgement that he “gets” that she loves him. Hook and Emma aren’t weepy and gushy like Snowing. He knew that in about 10 seconds she was not going to remember any of this. They got their “moment” in the midst of the bad.

My very favorite part of the episode though?? Knowing that the brief moment they shared right before Emma left changed Hook in a major way. Because that moment coupled with whatever happened in the year they were apart resulted in a very different Killian showing up at Emma’s door. I don’t know how to post all the gifs but go and look at his face when she opens the door. Hook has always given Emma the longing glances and the intense stares, and when they said goodbye we got a look of genuine love. When they were in NL and he told her he was going to win her heart he spoke to her with confident authority but it was different. Even though he was wanting to become a man of honor he was still used to being a pirate. When Emma opens the door in NYC – he is 100% Killian in pirate’s clothes. He is so relieved to see her and he is confident but in a completely different way. He isn’t piratey or cocky or arrogant, is just so happy and in love with her. He KNOWS that she is his true love and because he says that he can make her remember him – he believes that he is her true love too!! He doesn’t question it at all. The only time they kissed before, he let her be totally in charge of it and it blew him away and made him realize she is his true love. This time he kisses her and does it with total authority – not pirate authority, like he can have whoever he wants, but with True Love authority – because this is the ONE woman on earth that he was meant to kiss. The difference to me seems to be that he has spent a year in the EF with the others, with people like Charming instead of on the JR.

This kiss is more like the Snowing kiss than the Rumbelle kiss. Rumple had zero confidence when he leaned in to kiss Belle in the hospital and she screamed bloody murder when she didn’t remember him. He apologized profusely and left because Rumple has always had difficulty believing that Belle could really love him. But with the Snowing kiss, Charming KNEW that Snow loved him even if she couldn’t remember that she did so he didn’t slink away with no confidence after she decked him. He believed in their true love. I think this is exactly what we are going to see with CS. He said that he had hoped Emma felt the same way, but we know he sticks around to make sure she gets her memories back. He is going to find a way to make her remember him. I think Killian believes in their True Love now and that has helped keep him going for the past year. And look at Emma’s face after she kicks Killian in the nads. She isn’t scared by this leather clad complete stranger that just grabbed her and kissed her, she doesn’t even look annoyed. She looks like she is trying to figure out where she knows him from/why he seems familiar. I agree with whoever said that I bet we find out that she has had dreams about Killian and the rest of her SB family.

Plus how cute was the “Captain Swan” nod we got from the writers. The SF folks kept saying that the bug represents Emma and Neal’s relationship and that it isn’t right that Hook rides in it. Sorry, but I think that just changed forever in this past episode. Emma is Captain Swan of the Yellow Bug.

Also, did it break anyone’s heart when Hook asked whether Regina could stop the curse or if they should start cleansing their souls or something like that because his was going to take a while. Like seriously, all the poor villains truly felt that none of the progress they made counted for anything. They couldn’t see the progress within themselves, only the others could see it. I think that Hook did realize it when he said goodbye to Emma – I think her love makes him realize he is a better man and he will carry that with him.

My only beef is why did no one console poor Belle when she was hysterical over poor Rumple in the middle of the street?? I mean, not even a hug, a quick shoulder rub? Nothing?? Her boyfriend just vanished into thin air and is presumed to be dead having sacrificed himself to save the entire town and everyone just ignores her? Geesh!!

[CaptainEala]

…. as long as she eventually gets to “have” Hook. On the kitchen counter.

I gotta admit, I sometimes wish OUAT was on HBO instead of ABC!! It wouldn’t be the same, but at least we might get a kitchen counter… encounter. LOL!

It’s not clear cut. It is very much, like someone noted earlier, like Han and Leia. “I love you!” “I know” – that’s one of the most accurately romantic lines ever! He didn’t need to say anything else because he said it non verbally, but audiences had several years of fangasming between Empire and Jedi to dissect whether he meant “of course you do, I’m the best thing since sliced bread” or “I know you love me and I love you”

Yeah I agree with this!!! But either way, it’s good for CS 🙂 COME ON you lean a bit towards Captain Swan, admit it 😉

 

Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

[CaptainEala]

I actually teared up & I cried- I honestly cried this time- it doesnt happen often, but Emma, Killian & Regina knocked it right out of the park this time- heartbreaking stuff!

And Rumple!!! I cried when he kissed his father, even after all the crap Malcolm had put him through he still had love for him *sniffs* yeah, this episode was an emotional roller coaster, I cried the hardest at the scene where Emma KEEPS Henry – the love and happiness shining out of her face, ugh, I cannot think about it without tearing up

Killian’s eyes get intense & full of love as he says “There’s not a day will go by, that I wont think of you” Emma’s face loses some of the brokenheartedness as she responds “Good”. To which Killian responds with a beautiful, heart warming, hope fulled smile, & Emma responds with her own little bittersweet, tenderly hopeful smile as they gaze into each others eyes …. can I just say it is AMAZING how many times in one ep A&E can kill you dead with CS feels- they break your heart, you die of feels, your heart starts bleeding again, they have you explode with hope, then they kill you dead, before they build you back up for some more death by feels lol

OMG THEY ARE TROLLS, TROLLS I TELL YOU, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO TO US, THEY KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO KILL THE ENTIRE FANDOM

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh still not over it

Also the ‘triangle’ good byes were just so different, like STARKLY, contrasting in difference

I agree with everything you said about this. I mean, it’s fairly obvious what couple they want you to root for. I mean really.

Loved that we are proven right yet again, with Tink pushing the fact that Killian loves Emma, she may even be a bigger CS shipper than Regina is LOL

YEP

Honestly I don’t know how CaptainFairy was even a thing lol

Oh, just another thought to add to the whole TLK thing….. would TLK even work in our ‘world without magic’?

I think it would.

1)When Henry was born Emma MUST have used magic somehow because the lights flickered. I’m pretty sure her emotions were all over the place. And Emma’s magic IS TL, so I’m pretty sure TLK would work, because if any magic would work in our world, the “most powerful magic of all” would.

2)The Dragon not only gave out magic potions, which I agree may not have been made in our world, but when Tamara confronted him about the potion he began to change form. So he could use magic in the land without magic.

I don’t know, hopefully we’ll get some answers soooooooooooooon 🙂 maybe we can submit a question to Matt at the Paleyfest about it

Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

[surayya]

“I love you more than anything but I wish you were still dead” or “I love you more than anything but I wish you were still dead” It’s not clear cut. 

 

Hehe, if you talk to just about everyone I know (I dont even mean Once fans, let alone CS fans/shippers), they’d say it’s pretty clear cut what it means, when someone adds a “but” to their statement- everything before the but is often true enough, BUT it is there to soften the blow or justify what comes after the “but”, which is the ‘real’ truth- the actual meaning of the sentence.

ie. It was really nice, but it was a little hot for me.

I didnt want to do it, but he/she made me do it.

I love you, but I cant be with you.

I want it, but I cant have it.

Yes, I forgive you, but you have to understand….

Pretty much all but’s do is serve to undo the beginning of the statement, because it’s what comes after, that is really meant.

To me, if Emma really wanted to have another shot with Neal or still loved him ‘romantically’ (because there is a BIG difference between loving someone & being ‘in love’ with someone IMO), the sentence structure would have been reversed- ie- something along the lines of ‘My secret is ‘I was hoping you were dead, because you hurt me so much, but I love you, I will always love you’ – to me that say’s ‘you hurt me, but not enough that I cant get over it, as my love for you is stronger than the hurt’- the 1st part might be true, but it’s the 2nd part that is actually the truth (I would have honestly been VERY worried for CS if they had worded the “I love you” as the but).

I guess people will always twist whatever is said to their own advantage- whether it makes sense or not 😉

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