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CaptainEala wrote: I know i asked already, but does anyone know when Paleyfest is??? Sorry – mind like a sieve sometimes!!!
March usually.
So far away! 🙁 thanks!
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Okay, so I just finished reading all of the new posts on the CSF thread. If I may make a suggestion to all of my CS shippers to avoid that thread in future and stick to their own ships.Until this “triangle” is conclusively over, there is only bound to be more mudslinging. And that’s what it’s come down to.I started lurking on this site over a year ago and really enjoyed the conversations about OUAT, but I feel that it’s not about that anymore.I’ve gone over to a few other sites, including FB, only to find the same thing happening there.Its either about Hook or Neal, as if they and Emma are the only three characters on this show. And ABC publicity isn’t helping matters by pitting one against the other. Heck, it helps ratings doesn’t it? I personally haven’t bothered to reply to any negative posts here because I just don’t need the stress in my life.
@surayya, I completely agree with your previous post. The podcast, although I do enjoy it, is very pro-SF, and dismissive of Hook as a character. I find that most of the other podcasts I listen to are the same, with the exception of the Captain Swan Podcast (kudos to whoever it was on this thread to recommended it–it’s very funny)Why all of the Neal love??>Is it because he’s Henry’s father or because we as a fandom all loved Bae?>I’m sorry, but I can’t reconcile the two characters of Neal and Bae .IMO, they are completely different entities. The Bae who fought for Wendy and her brothers would have fought for Emma. Neal didn’t. And TBH, I was completely okay with Neal as a suitor for Emma until he brought Tamara into the mix. (the “I need her” speech from season two -can’t remember the episode title- where Neal tells Emma that Tamara is coming to SB) .<>Everything else I dislike about the character snowballed from there.
I will be truly disappointed if Hook and Emma are not a “thing” by the end of the season. There’s been more character interaction and development between Hook and Emma from Tallahassee on, than with Neal and Emma in these two seasons. They’ve basically pounded us over the head with CS from their first meeting, and from what I’ve seen of the spoilers, it’s still happening. If A and E have no intention of having a Hook and Emma pairing, then what was the point of all this?
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Why all of the Neal love?? Is it because he’s Henry’s father or because we as a fandom all loved Bae?
That is an excellent question that I’ve always wondered about myself. To be honest and I don’t know about anyone else, but I think it is partly because Neal is Baelfire, that people love him. I have a feeling if Neal were a random, normal guy and not Rumple’s son, he wouldn’t be getting as much love in the fandom. That’s my belief.
I’m sorry, but I can’t reconcile the two characters of Neal and Bae .IMO, they are completely different entities. The Bae who fought for Wendy and her brothers would have fought for Emma. Neal didn’t.
I completely agree.
If I may make a suggestion to all of my CS shippers to avoid that thread in future and stick to their own ships.
Yep, I agree. Of course, it’s everyone’s own personal choice – but I KNOW I’m don’t have restraint enough to stop myself from ranting and raving anymore. Lol. *shrugs* at least I accept my personal faults!!!!! 🙂
.I started lurking on this site over a year ago and really enjoyed the conversations about OUAT, but I feel that it’s not about that anymore.
I always loved OUAT, but I only became obsessed when CS came into the picture. But I agree, I really hope that Emma and Killian are proven to be TL this season, or it will only drag ooooon and oooon.
Why all of the Neal love?? Is it because he’s Henry’s father or because we as a fandom all loved Bae? I’m sorry, but I can’t reconcile the two characters of Neal and Bae .IMO, they are completely different entities.
I think it’s because the fandom have pretty much universally LOVED Bae. For instance, I wonder what would have happened if A&E had gone with their “contingency” plan to make Bae and Neal two separate characters? I think they KNOW that there would have been absolutely zero sympathy for Neal in what he did to Emma if he hadn’t been Bae as a kid. Obviously all of the villains on the show have tragic backstories and that’s why we feel sympathy for them in the present. But I just cannot connect Bae and Neal in my head, so that kind of empathy does not happen with me.
I’m liking Neal a bit more this season. But god, he needs a storyline really badly. He has been nothing more than “there” this season so far, except in Nasty Habits, where I actually really liked him. Buy other than that episode, he has been in the background. His emotions aren’t focussed on in any sense really IMO. This is why I’m hoping that 3B will be all about Neal going back to being Bae, and finding his father, and working on their relationship. It’s probably too much to hope.
I will be truly disappointed if Hook and Emma are not a “thing” by the end of the season. There’s been more character interaction and development between Hook and Emma from Tallahassee on, than with Neal and Emma in these two seasons. They’ve basically pounded us over the head with CS from their first meeting, and from what I’ve seen of the spoilers, it’s still happening. If A and E have no intention of having a Hook and Emma pairing, then what was the point of all this?
Yeah, I agree with everything you’re saying here. But I have complete faith that we’re going to get “I love you’s” in 3×22 🙂 I mean, Killian has all but proclaiming it from the rooftops lol. They’re saving his “I love you” for a special moment. And it’s in that moment – I believe – that it will be a mutual proclamation.
What REALLY gets me though, like really gets me, is people saying that CS is “fanservice” or “forced” or “OMG Emma/Hook are acting OOC”.
UM HELLO, HERE WE ARE, CAPTAIN SWAN SHIPPERS, WHO HAVE SEEN IT HAPPENING SINCE DAY 1.
Tallahassee was ALL ABOUT Emma shutting down her feelings for Killian because of Neal. THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE FLASHBACKS.
At the end of the day, only ONE man is fighting for Emma. ONLY ONE. Neal can say he will as much as he wants, but the fact is he isn’t backing it up with actions, and as Snow said “words, words, words, that’s all that love is. Do you know what means something to me… action.” NEAL STILL HASN’T TOLD EMMA HE LOVES HER, DESPITE IT BEING THE “BIGGEST REGRET OF HIS LIFE”. Despite the fact that HE AND EMMA WERE JUST SEPARATED BY A CURSE, he didn’t even say “I love you both” or ANYTHING.
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH
I don’t hate Neal but JEEZ Emma is someone who needs to be told every darn day that she is loved. When it comes to Emma, Neal is an emotional coward, with NO backbone, and that is not what they’ve shown us that True Love is about.
/rant over
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
I’d say stay away from it as well. It’s bad enough to get into the debates in the chat (and believe me it’s not fun to be ganged up on) but if we have arguments going in the thread, people will feel the need to defend what they love, especially when someone else is questioning why it’s lovable in the first place and it just spirals out of hand quickly. We’re on hiatus people, that mans we’re all going a little nuts and don’t need to add to it.
My goal for hiatus is to not fight with shippers. I don’t want to see the negativity or meanness or rudeness I saw last summer all over this fandom. I just want to enjoy what I enjoy and be done with it. It’s up to everyone unless someone closes that accursed thread (please close it), but I think for all our sanity we should try to stay away from it. We have pleasant discussions in here with like-minded people for the most part, but let’s not go overboard. We may not agree 100% with everything’s that’s said but at least we agree for the most part and aren’t causing people to defend what they love over here. If they choose to wander in here then that’s their problem. I’m staying far away from everything else that isn’t in neutral territory and by neutral I don’t mean “designed for arguments/debates” – hard to stay away from everything but I just don’t want to deal with the nastiness this time around.
We have a lot to be excited about that should keep us more than busy over the hiatus. Trying to convince someone else that it HAS to be huge because it’s a big parallel when it’s clear they are looking for loopholes (and they HAVE TO, it’s called finding a way to have some HOPE over the hiatus and it doesn’t *technically* prove anything 100% official until we see it play out), is pointless. We’re just spinning wheels at this point. Everyone has pretty much made up their minds to either ship something or be on the fence or not like one even if they’re not encouraging of the other. There’s NO POINT to debating it further. I’ve spent far too many countless nights trying to defend what I love and what was the point? The show is doing it for me. It will continue to do that for me, and we bring in more shippers all the time from watching the show so it’s doing something good for us. Let’s let it.
/end rant
LOVE all the graphics! I think next rewatch I’m gonna start trying to grab some stuff to put together too. For now I can but admire the beautiful things from afar and share when appropriate but you guys have a lot of the good gifsets covered!
Re: the medusa gif – I was thinking the other would have been better because they were both throwing a powder/dust of some kind but I see your point about the teamwork thing! I’m always skeptical of gifsets I see for things I don’t agree with and then to see things that don’t quite match makes me feel like the argument isn’t as strong as it was before but teamwork is lovely!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I just want to enjoy what I enjoy and be done with it. It’s up to everyone unless someone closes that accursed thread (please close it), but I think for all our sanity we should try to stay away from it.
I WOULD LOVE TO. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH I HATE THAT STUPID STUPID STUPID HORRIBLE THING. IT IS FLAMES ON THE SIDE OF MY FACE.
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(note: I cannot close a thread without a warranted cause. Like massive fighting. So long as people keep posting in it and not breaking rules, my hands are literally tied. It was dead for a long time but then got reopened and I basically made screaming noises that would shatter glass. Hence my staying away from it right now because it is a….*at this point RG becomes incoherent at just rants about how much she hates that ********** thread.*)
That is literally all I wanted to say. I saw Kat’s “please close it” and wanted you to know that my deepest wish is to send that thing to the depths of Hades. From a CS and an SF and FREAKING-I-WANT-TO-KEEP-MY-SANITY perspective…*again long rant*….it’s a disaster.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"One more message from me and then I’ll let y’all post pretty things.
I had a talk with Daniel and after hearing what I had to say about the continued mental well being of this community he agreed that I could send the THREAD OF DOOM to the dark abyss of Nevermore.
It’s gone. For good. Ain’t coming back.
I’ll talk to the SFers too but I think we should all collectively agree never to try that again. And not cause we aren’t lovely people who don’t have very legit reasons and rationalizations for why we ship what we ship but cause it just isn’t going to work. I love that we tried. I really do; it shows that we can rise above petty shipping wars and actually TRY to listen to each other. But…let’s not try again. Yeah?
I love you all. *cookies*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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