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@hookian, thanks for letting me know about the podcast. I haven’t had a chance to give it a listen yet.
For the record, I wasn’t looking for anyone on the podcast to pander to CS feels but like Stelio mentioned, it would have been nice to get some balance.
@surayya, I have Windows 8 too and its giving me a headache. I was able to download the CS podcast on iTunes but it took several tries and some swearing.
RG, thank you thank you thank you!!! I can’t tell you how happy you’ve made me by deleting that thread. I’m sending you some cookies and rum and visions of Robert Carlyle dancing to “you sexy thing” (sorry, didn’t know how to download it on here for you)My daughters and I did a rewatch of the pilot last night. My girls, who are 11 and 9, were gushing over how small and cute Henry was. Its hard to believe that he’s a teenager now.
Stelio Kontos wrote: it really was! Listen to the initial reactions I think you will be pleased
I totally will when i go home!!! Can’t wait, i’m excited now!
obisgirl wrote: I think Captain Swan is what they have planned and they’re keeping it a surprise because… To me, love is… love is layered. Love is a… a mystery to be uncovered. I love my parallels but the love story between Emma and Hook is layered and a mystery we will uncover as we go forward.
Lol – Captain Swan is a surprise??? I think 99% of CS shippers have been shipping it since 2×05/2×06. I love this layered and mystery to be uncovered thing you’ve mentioned here. Look what we got in 3A – I CANNOT WAIT to see what we get in 3B~!!!! (Also…random but have gotten someone hooked on OUAT – and CAPTAIN SWAN. Mwahahahaha…. resistance is futile.)
I mean, it won’t be a surprise to us but to everyone else expecting Neal/Emma to be together, it is a surprise to them that CS is true love and the story isn’t going in the other direction.
From vickyvicarious –
Hook/Henry parallels Because they’re Emma’s two True Loves. The only people Emma has left behind. The only people who come back and find her. Showing up at the door of her apartment. Always believing in Emma’s superpower/lie-detector. Always believing in Emma, period – even when no one else does. Choosing Emma despite the consequences/fighting for her love (S1/S3). Making Emma smile more than any other people. TLK kiss/attempt. Wanting to be a hero (and having everything go wrong when Pan gets involved).
I love this. This is so true.
Hook will do anything for love. If I were Emma I would totally go for Hook. He is completely there and would never leave her behind. The squid ink cell doesn’t count as they were not in a relationship and Emma had betrayed Hook. When Emma left Hook at the beanstalk, it wasn’t just the giant she left him at the mercy of, but Cora as well. Hook did risk his life by stealing the cuffs and joining Team Princess. Cora only let him live for the same reason Rumple let him live after killing Milah — so that he would suffer. To me, Hook leaving them in the cell is a wash. They both were placed at the mercy of Cora.
I completely agree about the fanservice argument. I hate it and it makes no sense. How does anyone know what A&E had planned? The SF fans are so emphatic on this point but what makes them so sure. I also find that argument ironic because by their argument, RumBelle is a fan service. Belle was only meant to be in that one episode, but Skin Deep was successful that the writers change their mind. Given how many SFers are ardent RumBelle fans, I don’t understand why they have an issue with writers changing their original plans (assuming that is the case for CS) when the writers are inspired by how things play out on onscreen. These are happy accidents in life and no one should be expected to continue down one path if they find a better more interesting path. They may not like the path (just as I don’t like RumBelle but it’s not my show and don’t assume I know what is in the writers minds). I don’t insult RumBelle fans by saying their ship only exists to placate a small section of the fandom and that is why Belle is not integrate well into the cast because she was never meant to be a part of it.
I want the “triangle” to be over no later than the end of the season. The shipping wars have proved divisive and have made this forum less enjoyable to me. The episode threads are suffering. So you can’t get a great discussion because everyone is holed up in their shipper thread. Not that I blame anyone for doing so because when I go to the CSF and SF thread, I start to get annoyed at how Hok is being unfairly painted in the worst possible light. What this does it makes me not want to like Neal and to a lesser extent Rumple.
In the last few episodes, I’ve come to like Neal and root for his happy ending. Before I was indifferent to him. I don’t think Neal was out of line for in how he asked Emma on a date or in telling her he would fight for her. He was letting Emma know what his intentions were and I don’t see him as forcing himself on Emma. By the same token, I don’t think Hook was out of line in what he told Neal when he was backing off or in letting Emma now that she will need to make a choice or in flirting with Emma (I don’t think he expected a kiss; it happened at Emma’s initiative). Hook was letting Neal and Emma know his intentions. He’s not controlling how Neal and Emma react, nor was he forcing her to make a decision NOW.
I just don’t see Neal and Emma have a happy ending together. They are too alike in the wrong ways. They are both too closed off and too serious with each other. There is too much pain in their relationship to work through. Their time in the sun is over. Their relationship would be full of angst and not fun (for them or for me to watch). Why would anyone chose a joyless, painful relationship that has been over for 11 years, when a new potentially fun filled with someone who completely believes in you and would never abandon you is on your doorstep? Hook brings out the warm side of Emma; he makes her feel and he gives her confidence in herself by always being there and always believing in her. That is what she needs and to be honest that is what Neal needs. He needs someone who is going to bring light, joy and fun into his life and who will put him first and always believes in him. After being abandoned by his mom, father and fiance, Neal needs that. Neal needs his own female Hook. Neal and Emma’s history is too painful for her to fully let her guard down. The trust is broken. Neal will have to spend lots of time making it up to Emma (assuming he can, which for me the answer is no — like I once said a personal betrayal in what I thought was a loving relationship built on trust, would irreparably damage that relationship, but I know their are women that go bad to their cheating spouses). Emma will need to get over his lack of belief in her and their love. That would suck the fun and joy out of the relationship. They both deserve the fun happy moments, but given their history it’s going to be with other folks.
Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
I want the “triangle” to be over no later than the end of the season. The shipping wars have proved divisive and have made this forum less enjoyable to me. The episode threads are suffering. So you can’t get a great discussion because everyone is holed up in their shipper thread. Not that I blame anyone for doing so because when I go to the CSF and SF thread, I start to get annoyed at how Hook is being unfairly painted in the worst possible light. What this does it makes me not want to like Neal and to a lesser extent Rumple.
I agree. I have a different viewing schedule this season, since I watch later in the week than everyone else but generally, so I haven’t had time to drop into the episode threads and see what’s been posted. But for the most part, I spend my time here and writing stuff on my tumblr, where I know it’s safe from rants and whatever.
Hook has really stepped up this season and become the hero, but it’s really sad, he’s still the villain to some people. It does seem unfair because there are other villains on this show who have done far worse than Hook (Regina and Rumple) but fans forgive them for their misdeeds. I didn’t like Regina in the beginning but she’s really come a long way from season one, even admitting in the winter finale that she was wrong to enact the curse. That’s character development. Rumple’s also come a long way too, finally accepting his fate rather than trying to find ways around it.
In the last few episodes, I’ve come to like Neal and root for his happy ending. Before I was indifferent to him.
I felt the same way too. I think he’s more tolerable when he’s not hurting Emma. I think you all know how I generally feel about him but the the funny thing is, I still want him to have his happy ending. I just don’t think it’s with Emma. I think we will find by the end of the season, we will know who belongs with who. I think Adam and Eddie will be done with the “love triangle” when the show comes back. If they drag it out any further, it’ll just be really painful to watch.
I don’t think Neal was out of line for in how he asked Emma on a date or in telling her he would fight for her. He was letting Emma know what his intentions were and I don’t see him as forcing himself on Emma.
Hmm. I think where Neal was coming from, is that he was trying to prove to Hook (and maybe himself) that Emma would take him back despite all the hurt.
By the same token, I don’t think Hook was out of line in what he told Neal when he was backing off or in letting Emma now that she will need to make a choice or in flirting with Emma (I don’t think he expected a kiss; it happened at Emma’s initiative). Hook was letting Neal and Emma know his intentions. He’s not controlling how Neal and Emma react, nor was he forcing to make a decision NOW.
I agree. In fact, Hook’s never said to Emma, “You must make a decision now.” The “now” has never been there.
There is too much pain in their relationship to work through. There time in the sun is over. Their relationship would full of angst and not fun (for them or for me to watch). Why would anyone chose a joyless, painful relationship that has been over for 11 years,
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I agree. Neal’s the cause for a lot of the pain in Emma’s life. This girl has been abandoned more than once – I just don’t want to see her go through anymore pain now. I wasn’t particularly concerned ‘shipper wise about Emma’s love life in season one but after seeing everything she has gone through, especially since Neal left her — she deserves some joy and happiness.
Neal needs his own female Hook.
OMG, wouldn’t it be funny if Neal’s next true is actually a female Hook. Lol.
Neal and Emma’s history is too painful for her to fully let her guard down. The trust is broken.
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I agree. Neal’s her first love and that’s why it hurts Emma so much to let him back into her life romantically, but if anything else, he will be there for Henry. They will be his parents. I don’t see Emma and Neal progressing in their relationship beyond being his parents.
Emma will need to get over his lack of belief in her and their love. That would suck the fun and joy out of the relationship. They both deserve the fun happy moments, but given their history it’s going to be with other folks.
I whole heartedly agree. Neal needs a female Hook.
I mean, it won’t be a surprise to us but to everyone else expecting Neal/Emma to be together, it is a surprise to them that CS is true love and the story isn’t going in the other direction.
Ah! 😉
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Ugh, I just got a really, really nasty anon on tumblr and I need a place to say it since I have blocked that person, whoever they are. Some of the things they said… I actually feel kinda sick.
Why is there so much hatred??
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@surayya @callmeLola – here is the Captain Swan podcast tumblr page:
http://captainswanpodcast.tumblr.com/
You’re able to play the podcasts directly from there by clicking on the middle of the picture of Emma and Killian beside each episode 🙂
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