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November 21, 2013 at 9:07 pm #225634RumplesGirlKeymaster
Well the Black Forest/Meadow of Light sure are creepy.
Am I the only one who thinks that the Carpenter (man with a saw) is the same from the Poem “The Walrus and the Carpenter” who conspire to seduce little oysters out of the ocean with the intention of eating them?
Here is a link to the poem in full: http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/walrus.html
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 21, 2013 at 9:26 pm #225650JosephineParticipantOf course, he’s the carpenter. Now where is our Walrus 😛
The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright–
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.
The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done–
“It’s very rude of him,” she said,
“To come and spoil the fun!”
The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead–
There were no birds to fly.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
“If this were only cleared away,”
They said, “it would be grand!”
“If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year.
Do you suppose,” the Walrus said,
“That they could get it clear?”
“I doubt it,” said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.
“O Oysters, come and walk with us!”
The Walrus did beseech.
“A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each.”
The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head–
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.
But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat–
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn’t any feet.
Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more–
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.
“The time has come,” the Walrus said,
“To talk of many things:
Of shoes–and ships–and sealing-wax–
Of cabbages–and kings–
And why the sea is boiling hot–
And whether pigs have wings.”
“But wait a bit,” the Oysters cried,
“Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!”
“No hurry!” said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.
“A loaf of bread,” the Walrus said,
“Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed–
Now if you’re ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed.”
“But not on us!” the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
“After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!”
“The night is fine,” the Walrus said.
“Do you admire the view?
“It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!”
The Carpenter said nothing but
“Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf–
I’ve had to ask you twice!”
“It seems a shame,” the Walrus said,
“To play them such a trick,
After we’ve brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!”
The Carpenter said nothing but
“The butter’s spread too thick!”
“I weep for you,” the Walrus said:
“I deeply sympathize.”
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.
“O Oysters,” said the Carpenter,
“You’ve had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?’
But answer came there none–
And this was scarcely odd, because
They’d eaten every one.Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
November 21, 2013 at 9:28 pm #225651RumplesGirlKeymasterNow where is our Walrus
Maybe the Walrus is already a tree?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 21, 2013 at 10:53 pm #225671SlurpeezParticipantThat carpenter was creepy as you know what. Also, the Black Forest was way creepier than the Dark Hollow of NL. At least when they said the Black Forest is dark, they meant it, whereas the Dark Hollow was really red.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 22, 2013 at 11:49 am #225758PheeParticipantThe Carpenter was really…unsettling. I dunno if they intended to aim for a sexual predator type vibe with him, but his composure, and how he looked at her, and how she was acting all drugged against her will, and topped off with the phallic shape of the saw and how he was holding it…he was just seriously creeping me out. I was actually relieved when he started turning into a tree.
November 23, 2013 at 6:03 am #226007DemiletoParticipantOK, this is likely the first episode of BOTH Once and Once Wonderland that has really spooked me out. I’m pretty sure my heartbeat jumped when they revealed the Carpenter was becoming a tree. 😮
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