The Consequences of Remembering

[hjbau]

Regina is the Evil Queen so i don’t think that it has any application to real life adoption or step mothers. I wouldn’t over think that.

[killianhookfan]

@weedith wrote:

Unless you think SB Henry is actually Henry, Regina’s father reincarnated. Apart from the weird “I’m my own grandpa” aspect, that could have some interesting ramifications. Could it be Henry, the father trying in a weird way to save his daughter? He did seem to love her right to the end, even when he knew she was considering killing him. Or is Henry, the father seeking revenge on his daughter for murdering him? Since Henry’s heart was used to enact the curse, maybe his essence somehow made it through to the new world.

I’ve never actually thought about it that way before but I have actually thought that somehow Regina’s father is going to be involved in all of this. I have actually wondered if August is somehow Henry Sr. But since you have written it out here, I actually like what you said. It could make sense that Henry is actually Regina’s father reincarnated. It could make sense that Regina killed her father, the thing she loved most, to enact the curse that would leave a void in her soul that could never be filled. In my theory I think that Rumple wanted to use the curse to end all magic so what if he knew she would use her father’s heart and then somehow was able to bring it back to her again in the form of a child that she would love all over again as “the thing she loved most.” Remember right before Regina ripped her dad’s heart out, he said something like “We could be happy together. We could start a new life together and you could be happy again.” Well, if Henry is her reincarnated father than that is exactly the chance she got when Gold brought him to her. I have always thought that Gold wants to give Regina the chance to redeem herself as well. That would be the perfect way to let her do that. And it would create a bit of a loophole in the curse. If she still has the heart of the thing she loves most – does she really have a void in her soul that can never be filled??

[killianhookfan]

@hjbau wrote:

Regina is the Evil Queen so i don’t think that it has any application to real life adoption or step mothers. I wouldn’t over think that.

Yeah, I know – I have issues with how Disney handles those things. My point was that it will be interesting to see how they handle the issue of Regina and Henry. Even in a Fairy Tale Television scenario it will be a bit odd to have them suddenly take Henry away from Regina – he’s been her son for 10 years and even if she isn’t a warm and fuzzy mommy, she has still raised him. Turning him over to Emma, who really isn’t a mom at this point just seems strange.

[hjbau]

I think that they are going to do exactly that though. I think that eventually Emma is going to gain custody of Henry because Regina is the Evil Queen and is just evil. I don’t think like i said that in anyway speaks to real life issues of adoption. I think that is what should happen. I agree that if this was a real life situation it wouldn’t be that simple, but in this situation i think it is without a doubt what should happen.

[surayya]

I have wondered before coming up with the opposite will be required to break the curse thing, if Emma will have to sacrifice/leave Henry- the thing she loves most (who was born in real/our world) here with a (god willing) redeemed Regina who is able to find true love here (but cant in FTL).
Im not 100% certain on it, but if in braking the curse all the FTL characters (aside from a defeated/redeemed Regina) have to go ‘home’ that would include Emma who is 100% made & born in FTL, but not Henry, who was born here, yes to a FTL mother, but also a ‘real world’ father…..So Emma would have to say good bye to Henry & Regina would have to be redeemed enough for that to be workable.
Ohhhh this will make almost everyone cringe (& most likely form a lynch mob 😈 lol ) but what if August is actually in SB for Regina 😯 -not to help her, but is there ‘for’ her, so she can be redeemed & FINALLY feel the love she desperately wants in her life again- Im just throwing it out there 😉

I do agree with hjbau tho its most likely that Henry will end up with Emma (we’ve already been told time & again Henry is unhappy with Regina & it has been going on WAY longer then just the mth he’s had the book as Dr Hopper said he’s been in therapy for sometime as ALL Regina’s efforts to get closer to Henry have backfired- which is no surprise as enacting that curse has left her with an unfillable void that she can never fill until the curse is broken)

[hjbau]

I think that Henry will be allowed in to fairytale land if that is what happens at the end. It is like if your parents are an American citizen even if you are born outside of the USA you are still an American citizen by birth. I don’t think that Henry will just be out for certain. I also don’t think we know whether or not his father is a real world character or not. We just don’t know enough. Especially since most people seem to think that August is a fairytale land character who has lived outside of Storybrooke. If that is possible then Henry’s father could be someone like that as well.

I think Regina will be redeemed in some form by the end of the series. I don’t think that Henry is going to stay with her though. That does not seem to be reasonable.

[weedith]

Do you think Henry wants to go to FTL? We know he wants the curse broken and for the characters (especially his teacher/grandmother) to get their happy endings back, but what does He ry actually want for himself? Will he and Emma stay in the real world? Get an apartment in Boston? I do think Henry with Emma is the endgame, but like rumplegoldfan, I am hoping Regina’s relationship with Henry is not dismissed as meaningless. I think it is possible Regina will make some sacrifice for Henry in the end, her love for her child overcoming her hate. It is also possible she will realize, to her great pain that she is incapable of loving after what she has done.

[Phee]

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

This is one of the reasons I think that Rumple/Gold’s plan is do away with all magic completely, the whole “all magic comes with a price” idea. There is really no easy way to deal with any of this in SB without doing away with magic. It’s one thing to remember who you are and what happened to you if you have the ability to use magic but entirely another if you remember and don’t have magic – then it’s really just . . . life.

It could actually be really interesting to see how the characters would handle themselves without magic. They would have all the same grudges and alliances but they would have to find new ways to deal with everything – it would be kind of like a soap opera on steroids.

Agreed! It’d be really interesting to see them having to solve their magically induced grudges without the use of magic.

@Dorothy wrote:

I honestly don’t think the theory of Rumple/Gold wanting to get rid of magic really makes any sense. Magic was that guy’s trade, it gave him power. Why would he want to get rid of it?

Because he never really wanted that power to begin with, his son didn’t like him having it and over the centuries he’d grown weary of having to deal with stupid people who never listened to him when he’d tell them that all magic comes with a price. He’s doing them ALL a favour if he rids their world of magic, because no good comes from it.

@weedith wrote:

It will be interesting to see how relationships might change in light of Storybrooke events. Seriously, I don’t see how Snow can forgive Charming for losing faith in her and believing she would kill Kathryn.

This is a complex situation and it’ll be interesting to see which way they go with it. On the one hand, I could totally understand Snow finding that hard to come to terms with. On the other hand, if she considers the conditions it happened under, maybe she’d understand a bit easier.

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

@hjbau wrote:

Regina is the Evil Queen so i don’t think that it has any application to real life adoption or step mothers. I wouldn’t over think that.

Yeah, I know – I have issues with how Disney handles those things. My point was that it will be interesting to see how they handle the issue of Regina and Henry. Even in a Fairy Tale Television scenario it will be a bit odd to have them suddenly take Henry away from Regina – he’s been her son for 10 years and even if she isn’t a warm and fuzzy mommy, she has still raised him. Turning him over to Emma, who really isn’t a mom at this point just seems strange.

This is kind of just a technicality, but is she actually legally his mother? I’m thinking that when Mr Gold procures a baby for the Evil Queen’s alternate persona to raise in a town that doesn’t really exist as far as the outside world is concerned, there’s not really any legit adoption paperwork involved. That doesn’t negate the fact that she raised him as his mother of course, so that relationship still exists, even without the paperwork. But if it comes down to Henry wanting to go back to his bio mother, would his adoptive mother actually be able to stop him?

Maybe this is what the spoilers about August showing Emma how she could regain custody are about? If he tries to convince her of the fairytale stuff, in doing so he'll point out that Regina actually has no legal claim to Henry.

[hjbau]

That is a good idea Phee. The adoption maybe be shady and illegitimate. When it really comes down to it though Regina is a mass murderer and completely crazy so it is sort of disturbing that Henry lives with her. Just like it is disturbing when Regina touches anyone or gets too close to them. I guess that is all Henry has with Regina. I never feel like she is going to kill him when she touches him.

I do want there to be some sort of redemption for Regina, but i am not sure how that will play out.

[charming]

Regardless of ridding magic or not…he is collecting items. Seemingly items that possess magic. Mr. Gold is seen to be in possession of the genie lamp, the unicorn mobile. Rumple has on display in the background the wizard cap from fantasia and he acquired the fairy god mother’s magic wand never to be seen again. Perhaps the sword in the stand in the background in Rumple’s Dark Castle is a magic sword. There is a reason for Gold/Rumple’s need to hoard items and some of them magic items, maybe all of them have magic or none of them have magic because those items are one time use magic items.

[Author]

Posts