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I’m not, It’s about Emma this time and how she crossed the line she shouldn’t.
What line?
When she said that Regina couldn’t go anywhere near Henry? Good for her!
From what Emma knows and has seen Regina just murdered someone! One of Henry’s only friends. She just used magic on Emma and flung her across the yard. The girl cannot control her temper. Dam right someone needs to take Henry away from Regina. She can’t control herself, she has bad impulses, her temper is horrible, and she has a seriously violent past. Yeah, girl should be stripped of her parental rights and should only see Henry on supervised visits. Any sane and responsible adult would do that.
Even if Emma wasn’t there, Henry needs to be removed from Regina’s care. It’s just not smart or safe for him to be there. Some might say “Oh but Regina would never harm Henry.” But the thing is… she already did. He was poisoned because of her. He actually died because of her. That alone is enough reason for Regina to lose her rights to have anything other than supervised visits with Henry.
edit: It doesn’t matter that Regina didn’t mean for Henry to eat the poisoned turnover. The fact that it was there is the problem. As in.. ya know, the attempted murder/sleeping curse of someone. That’s just not a good thing to do. Not very excusable. She also didn’t ensure that her son wouldn’t eat it. Knowing that her son goes to Emma’s apartment and has probably eaten there many times and knowing more than likely they would say goodbye… Regina didn’t make sure that Henry accidentally got a piece of that turnover. Irresponsible. Endangering the child’s life.
[adrotate group="5"]Personally, I think both women will need to come to an understanding.
Henry has made it clear the he cares for Regina and wants her to get better and be happy–he wanted her to come to the party, too, and he sat with her for a while. 🙂 He does love Regina and Emma–both of them were beginning to find a common ground and come to a toleranting relationship.
Like I said, Cora ruined it all–Regina could have gotten happiness and a healthy relationship with her son and with Emma.
I get Regina’s point–she is trying, and she was doing pretty well with Emma and Henry until she got accused of murder. And then it all went downhill for her–everything that she worked for was gone. The only people on her side were Henry and Emma–I think she was beginning to gain an appreciation for the latter.
But I also understand Emma’s–she loves Henry, and he has brought her into his life. He needs her, and she truly wanted to believe that Regina could change–she herself said that she might have ended up like Regina if she had not been given a chance, and she gave the latter that. And then when it turns out to have (in her eyes) been a lie, all her hops for Regina and for Henry being happy with his family went tumbling down. She feared what Regina could do to Henry.
@Schmacky wrote:
From what Emma knows and has seen Regina just murdered someone! One of Henry’s only friends. She just used magic on Emma and flung her across the yard. The girl cannot control her temper.
What? She’s just been accused of murdering someone AND interrogated and later on visited again not just by a sheriff but the whole Charming family – hello? This is unprofessional and putting the suspect on a hell of a stress. Three people standing on your door mat accusing you of something you have no idea of and at the same time with little smirks debating how cool it was that Emma used magic – it would be horrible and confusing for anyone to experience it, especially that Regina had particularly bad history with two of them. Yet she’s still trying to keep it down and she’s not even raising the voice or calling them names. No, it’s not until she’s being told she cannot see her son AND she’s being attacked by Blue with obvious intentions to imprison her again – and this is when she loses temper and pushes Emma back – yet, she does NOTHING ELSE. She’s not throwing fire at the Charmings, she’s not threatening Emma’s life or calling for vengeance, even though she’s fully capable of it. You call this not being able to control temper?
Dam right someone needs to take Henry away from Regina.
That’s already been done. What the issue is, that she wouldn’t be allowed to see HER OWN SON. And Henry DOES want to see her too. She deserves some credit for bringing Henry up to be the person he is now because for the past 10 years she has been there for him and gave him all the attention she could. Like I said before, even women in prisons are allowed to see their kids and sometimes even have them inside the prison. And the overall purpose of a prison is not just punishment but also correction and help that the prisoners are believed to deserve.
It doesn’t matter that Regina didn’t mean for Henry to eat the poisoned turnover. The fact that it was there is the problem. As in.. ya know, the attempted murder/sleeping curse of someone. That’s just not a good thing to do. Not very excusable. She also didn’t ensure that her son wouldn’t eat it. Knowing that her son goes to Emma’s apartment and has probably eaten there many times and knowing more than likely they would say goodbye… Regina didn’t make sure that Henry accidentally got a piece of that turnover. Irresponsible. Endangering the child’s life.
I’m not excusing her for creating the curse in the first place but to me, she’s not really guilty of Henry’s coma (as in, directly). When Emma came to see her she actually told Regina she was leaving pretty soon so the chances of her having time to sit down with Henry for long enough to enjoy a pie would be probably small, in her mind. Also, it’s been shown she doesn’t let Henry eat much sweets, in fact she believes he doesn’t eat any at all (incident with Hans and Gretel). Calling her a bad mother would be feasible if she actually directly did something to harm him. She’s never intended to have him eat the pie and seriously, predicting for all the possible scenarios is just not possible.
Of course, I cannot say she’s a perfect mother but she is trying. I’m not saying Henry should be living back with her either. And what she’s done in FTL is terrible but it cannot be undone in any way so what counts is presence. And right now and here she really is sorry and trying her best and while I don’t think it would be healthy for her to get a big prize for that straight away, leaving her with no hope whatsoever is not a good idea either.
While people get irritated that Regina is often getting excused these days. Do we not all hope for a chance if we do something wrong? [Yes, it’s been pointed out she had her chance back in FTL too. But back then she had no other motif to live. And what Snow was offering so happily – a freedom – didn’t smell right anyway. Plus she discovered that damned knifie – of course she took it as yet another sign of Snow’s betrayal and her intention to kill/humiliate her possibly when walking behind her down the stairs]
What irritates me is that she seems to be a pawn in everyone else’s hands and she can’t break out of it. People manipulate her too easily and don’t even have to face any consequences. For a woman of her powers, she really could stand up for herself more.
Personally, if it was me, I would forget the kid, leave town and start a new life. “The void will never be filled” so why bother trying, seeing it doesn’t bring any results? Henry seems to be happy as it is so perhaps Regina could just accept it, move on and forget about the whole charade for her own sake?What? She’s just been accused of murdering someone AND interrogated and later on visited again not just by a sheriff but the whole Charming family – hello?
Ok so we’ve switched POVs. I was talking about from Emma’s POV and now you’re talking about Regina’s. So from Regina’s POV I totally get WHY she did what she did… but it was still wrong. I understand there’s fear in her doing the things she’s done. Defense and all that. But, it’s still not OK to go flinging the sheriff of the town across the yard. Even if you’re upset. Even if she threatened to take your son away. It’s still wrong. And it wasn’t really unprofessional for them all to be there. Emma is the sheriff, David seems to be the deputy, and Snow is actually Regina’s stepdaughter so.. what’s unprofessional? heh
that she wouldn’t be allowed to see HER OWN SON.
yeah, I know. That usually happens to people who have done bad things. Murderers get put in jail and they don’t see their kids. The law isn’t the regular law in SB and jail isn’t like regular jail in SB. I get that. But, it’s the same principle. Regina is suspect number 1 in a murder with two witnesses (I really do think they’re using Pongo as a witness, I know.. its no Law and Order…). She’s dangerous. Yeah, she’s not going to be able to see her son for a little bit. Things need to change and Henry’s safety needs to be priority. That doesn’t mean it’s going to be like that forever.
I’m not excusing her for creating the curse in the first place but to me, she’s not really guilty of Henry’s coma.
I’m sorry but that entire paragraph after the quote is completely moot and pointless. It doesn’t matter if she thought her kid would eat sweets or go to Emma’s or whatever… she made a poisoned dessert where he could have access to it. It doesn’t matter if she thought he’d eat it or not… she made it happen. She made it. She attempted to poison someone. That is bad. Very bad. And his condition is solely her fault. Because if she never made it he never would have fell victim to it.
Favorite moment:
– Archie is not dead, wish he could escape from Cora in the next episode so Regina can get her innocent back!– Pongo, he could sense that it wasn’t Regina that came to visit Archie that night he “died”… but someone else. (I think that was why he barked in a different way right away when he sees her. He never react like that before when he sees the real Regina…and Archie did say: “Pongo, you know Regina”.. )
– Regina and Henry together at the party. Even tho everyone in Storybrooke can’t trust her because of her past, I wish Henry would at least have some sort of trust in her – since she was his mother the past 10 years.
– Regina and Leroy – he did like her lasagna after all:D
– The beauty and the beast together.
Least favorite moment:
– David…David…. David! I’m glad he’s no longer the sheriff…. If someone is missing, dead, or something bad happens in Storybrooke, then for sure it must be Regina… 😐 What a lack of investigation. Why can’t he and Snow just step aside and let Emma work on her on?.. 🙄– Emma using her magic… I’m very disappointed that Emma didn’t learn her lesson in FTL, where she has been tricked by Cora once before. She should believe in her skills that it all was a trap, instead of using magic and believe in what she saw…I guess she didn’t thought that Cora made all the way to town… But at least, all the signs are there… it’s a trap!
– Emma-Henry-Regina issues, why can’t Emma just agree to let both of them taking care of Henry? She knows that Regina would never hurt Henry. I don’t think that Emma is innocent either.. she lied to Henry that his dad is dead… Wonder how Henry will react when he finds out that Neal is alive in NYC! I also hate it when Emma always use Henry’s name to scare Regina! LIKE: “if you’re not going to be nice I’ll run and tell Henry”..or “you’ll never see your Henry again”…something like that….. HATE IT!
After all this was a great episode! Finally Once is back:)
Happy new year everyone by the way 😎Henry’s poisoning was an accident, she can’t see the future how was she supposed to know Henry would be around Emma’s apartment (the turnover was in someone else’s house!)? He wasn’t supposed to be anywhere near that turnover. Also her actions against others don’t take away her parental rights, people in prison would lose their kids all the time and that’s not the case, the only way someone can lose their kids is if the parent committed a serious crime against the child and only if it’s an extreme one like physical violence or a lewd act, extreme neglect like not feeding the kid or not keeping the child clean and healthy, anything else does not matter.
Also the creators said Henry’s adoption was LEGAL.
And as much as I love Emma she said ‘No, he’s mine!’ before Regina pushed her, before Regina did anything, Regina was just telling her Henry deserves to hear her side of the story because he is her son and Emma spat that.. that was really mean, I know she doesn’t know it wasn’t Regina but they came to her door aggressively and even mocked her, they didn’t even try to make sure first, they should have used that dreamcatcher on her too, find out if she really was at home, if she was telling the truth.
@Schmacky wrote:
I’m sorry but that entire paragraph after the quote is completely moot and pointless. It doesn’t matter if she thought her kid would eat sweets or go to Emma’s or whatever… she made a poisoned dessert where he could have access to it. It doesn’t matter if she thought he’d eat it or not… she made it happen. She made it. She attempted to poison someone. That is bad. Very bad. And his condition is solely her fault. Because if she never made it he never would have fell victim to it.
Of course it matters that she didn’t expect Henry to eat it. Yes, she’s the one who poisoned the damn thing but if her intentions were never meant for Henry and if she truly wouldn’t imagine him eating it, how is that remotely connected to bad parenting???
Sure, he would never ever be in that state if she didn’t create the curse in the first place so it is her fault – I badly formulated my words before – but it was intended for Emma and Emma only and you cannot under any circumstances connect that to being a bad mother trying to kill her kid. I bet she would rather die than let him get hurt this way.EDIT: Legal adoption or not – that would be Gold’s case, not Regina’s.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Are we really going to try to compare this adoption to a real life situation? Seriously, we are talking about the Evil Queen adopting Snow White’s grandson. Somehow, I don’t think real life adoption rules and regulations come into play here. It’s a fantasy show and not meant to be taken so seriously. Because it’s fantasy, real world rules just don’t apply. You simply can’t compare real life adoption or fostering situations to this at all. We’ve got the Evil Queen, who murdered Snow’s father, murdered her own father, tried and thought she successfully murdered her mother, murdered countless others throughout the years, murdered Graham, nearly murdered Henry, and we’ve got people rallying for her saying how dare Emma assume she’s got no parental rights? Seriously? 😆
Are we really willing to forget mommy dearest’s baking activities that landed her adoptive son in the hospital, at death’s door? I think any rights were long done after that shinning moment of motherhood.
Emma tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. Emma reached out on Henry’s behalf. Emma saw the vision of her chocking the life out of yet another victim and said enough was enough! Ever think that perhaps Emma instinctively knew that what she was seeing was her own vision due to her own magic thus the vision could be trusted? Emma, Snow, Charming, and the others, don’t have the benefit of seeing what the viewers do.
I want to see Reggie redeemed. Lana continues to floor me with the depths of her performances. We go from feeling so sorry for her as Reggie, to hating her as EQ, back to feeling so heartbroken for her as Reggie.
In the end, it’s all make believe. I can’t put any weight into whether they are following appropriate adoption laws when I see the Queen of Hearts, standing by an invisible ship, alongside Captain Hook and turning a man into a fish. Fantasy.
WORD to all of that. The fact that they had Regina and Gold speak of the adoption as “a deal” and that he “procured” Henry for her, makes it all sound underhanded, which is to be expected IMO. I mean, if it was all legal in real world terms, then why was the local pawn broker involved in the process at all? He was only involved because Regina knew him as a baby dealer in FTL, so she went to him in SB for that same purpose, likely because she had no real world legal avenues to go down to adopt a baby.
Regarding the apple turnover debate, IMO the main point isn’t whether or not Regina is to blame for what happened to Henry in particular. The point is that she was willing to put ANYONE under a sleeping curse, let alone someone she knew her son cared about. Even if it had gone as planned, and it had knocked Emma out, that’s still just as bad as what ended up happening…either way, Henry got hurt. Even if she’d put a stranger under a sleeping curse, that’s still a very bad thing to do. So either way, Regina’s not a decent, stable sort of a person who should be in charge of the welfare of a child.
On a lighter note, Charming’s “Its impressive that we can still provide her with a few traumatic childhood memories at this stage of the game,” made me 😆
Before this debate about Regina-vs.-Emma-as-mothers escalate further, I’ll just point out that Regina was and is the Evil Queen. Evil, thus in regards to the whole “she’s so bad” debate, well yea, she’s meant to be bad and evil, and really good at it! I don’t think anyone is excusing her actions, because her character is supposed to be evil and do evil things 🙂 She didn’t intend for Henry to eat the apple turnover and that was evident, but we can’t seriously argue about her ‘bad’ motives 😛
@Phee wrote:
On a lighter note, Charming’s “Its impressive that we can still provide her with a few traumatic childhood memories at this stage of the game,” made me 😆
And this was pretty funny 😆 you’d think that they would have their own room
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