THE CRICKET GAME : FAVORITE AND LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS

[Slurpeez]

Favorite moment: When Emma and Henry awkwardly walked in on Snow and Charming in bed.
Least favorite: When Cora framed her daughter for a crime that Regina didn’t commit.

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There’s not enough words to praise Lana’s brilliant acting in this episode. She got to show a long range of Regina’s emotions. Technically she got to play three different Regina’s too, EQ, Mayor and Cora impersonating her.

I have to say this episode was the first that I actually liked Emma in and wasn’t just indifferent about her. In the first half at least. When she started arguing with Regina I found myself back at my previous standpoint.
It’s annoying how inconsistent characters are and do whatever needs to be done for the plot regardless of previous episodes. I’m thinking about David here, since he’s been there when Snow and Emma where away in FTL and Regina did show him several times that she was changing compared to in this episode how he swiftly made his mind up about her.
And Rumple. He was about to let Regina get hit by the arrows, which would have defeated his entire time manipulating her to cast the curse. Sure BF stopped the arrows but what if she hadn’t? I guess he would’ve just started over from scratch with a new apprentice.
Emma’s lie detector power seems to be inconsistent as well. She saw Hook lied immediately in FTL for instance.

I loved Regina and i liked Hook and Cora’s scenes. It was fun to see Zelenka appear as the fish guy lol. So far we’ve had portals, Atlantis’ shield, a Wraith, Beckett and Zelenka so I wonder what the next Stargate related thing will be 😛

As for the whole debate here about Regina being evil, which I have admittedly not read through that throughly, it’s funny how everyone’s quick to say she’s bad for Henry and she’s dangerous to him and so on. Because let’s face it, it wasn’t Regina’s fault that Henry died in the finale. It was Gold’s. He was the one who trapped Emma in the elevator and he was the one who prevented them from getting to Henry in time, all to get his magic back. Regina just benefited from that too, but she would never endanger Henry’s life to get magic.
I know there’s a lot of Dearies on this board, and I don’t hate Rumple or anything like that. He’s one of my favorites actually. But there’s also no doubt in my mind that he’s the most evil character on this show.

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@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

As for the whole debate here about Regina being evil, which I have admittedly not read through that throughly, it’s funny how everyone’s quick to say she’s bad for Henry and she’s dangerous to him and so on. Because let’s face it, it wasn’t Regina’s fault that Henry died in the finale. It was Gold’s. He was the one who trapped Emma in the elevator and he was the one who prevented them from getting to Henry in time, all to get his magic back. Regina just benefited from that too, but she would never endanger Henry’s life to get magic.

So Regina using the sleeping curse to poison Emma was all Rumpel’s fault? Regina recruited Jefferson to retrieve the poisonous apple from the Enchanted Forest and she made the poisonous apple turnover. That is all on Regina. She let her hatred for Emma get the best of her and it came back to bite her.

[the fairest]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

As for the whole debate here about Regina being evil, which I have admittedly not read through that throughly, it’s funny how everyone’s quick to say she’s bad for Henry and she’s dangerous to him and so on. Because let’s face it, it wasn’t Regina’s fault that Henry died in the finale. It was Gold’s. He was the one who trapped Emma in the elevator and he was the one who prevented them from getting to Henry in time, all to get his magic back. Regina just benefited from that too, but she would never endanger Henry’s life to get magic.

So Regina using the sleeping curse to poison Emma was all Rumpel’s fault? Regina recruited Jefferson to retrieve the poisonous apple from the Enchanted Forest and she made the poisonous apple turnover. That is all on Regina. She let her hatred for Emma get the best of her and it came back to bite her.

Yes, I agree. That whole mess started with Regina. She wanted to get rid of Emma without killing her (not that she didn’t want to, but Rumpel put a protection claus in the curse that ensured Emma’s safety), so she decided to use the poisonous apple. In fact, Mr. Gold warned her (again) that all magic comes with a price right before she made the poisonous apple turnover. The hand that poisononed Henry was Regina’s, not Mr. Gold’s.

And as far as the whole Emma vs. Regina debate goes, it’s moot. Neither one is to blame. They were manipulated by Cora and they fell right into her trap. Emma tried to give Regina a chance, but all the evidence pointed to Regina unfortunately. She had no way of knowing Cora was behind the crime.

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No that’s not what I’m saying. I’m comparing her and Rumple and saying that Regina is bad but Rumple is worse. Regina wouldn’t let Henry die, but Rumple would have.
They are similar in the way that they wouldn’t let anyone stand in the way of their children, but Rumple had done it on a much larger scale. Regina just went after Snow and Charming, while Rumple pulled strings all over FTL to get to our world.
And Regina has so far actually done things to redeem herself. Gold hasn’t showed any interest in that and keeps using magic and kidnapping people. He was even about to let Emma and Snow die on their way back from FTL through the portal but Regina made a choice to negate that magic so they could pass through.

[the fairest]

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

No that’s not what I’m saying. I’m comparing her and Rumple and saying that Regina is bad but Rumple is worse. Regina wouldn’t let Henry die, but Rumple would have.
They are similar in the way that they wouldn’t let anyone stand in the way of their children, but Rumple had done it on a much larger scale. Regina just went after Snow and Charming, while Rumple pulled strings all over FTL to get to our world.
And Regina has so far actually done things to redeem herself. Gold hasn’t showed any interest in that and keeps using magic and kidnapping people. He was even about to let Emma and Snow die on their way back from FTL through the portal but Regina made a choice to negate that magic so they could pass through.

Of course Regina wouldn’t let Henry die. He’s her son. Just like Rumpel wouldn’t let Baelfire die. But Regina has sacrificed children before. All the children she sent to the Blind Witch were eventually eaten. Hansel and Gretal are the only ones who survived. But with Rumpel, we at least learned that he ended the ogre wars and freed all the child soldiers after he became the Dark One in “The Return.”

And bringing up the evil deeds of another villain doesn’t really excuse the things that Regina has done. No one was arguing whether or not Regina was more evil than Rumpel. The main debate was between Regina and Emma. So using the argument that “Rumpel is more evil than Regina” is kind of weak.

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@The Fairest wrote:

But Regina has sacrificed children before. All the children she sent to the Blind Witch were eventually eaten. Hansel and Gretal are the only ones who survived.

How is that Regina’s fault? It was the blind witch who ate them.

@The Fairest wrote:

But with Rumpel, we at least learned that he ended the ogre wars and freed all the child soldiers after he became the Dark One in “The Return.”

Yes Rumple the babynapper was such a kind and friendly man.

@The Fairest wrote:

And bringing up the evil deeds of another villain doesn’t really excuse the things that Regina has done.

No and I never said it did.

@The Fairest wrote:

No one was arguing whether or not Regina was more evil than Rumpel. The main debate was between Regina and Emma. So using the argument that “Rumpel is more evil than Regina” is kind of weak.

I know that. My argument was that a lot of people bash Regina for her evil deeds here yet no one seems to bash Rumple’s deeds, which IMO, are worse.

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@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

No that’s not what I’m saying. I’m comparing her and Rumple and saying that Regina is bad but Rumple is worse. Regina wouldn’t let Henry die, but Rumple would have.
They are similar in the way that they wouldn’t let anyone stand in the way of their children, but Rumple had done it on a much larger scale. Regina just went after Snow and Charming, while Rumple pulled strings all over FTL to get to our world.
And Regina has so far actually done things to redeem herself. Gold hasn’t showed any interest in that and keeps using magic and kidnapping people. He was even about to let Emma and Snow die on their way back from FTL through the portal but Regina made a choice to negate that magic so they could pass through.

To be perfectly fair, it’s not like Regina hasn’t played the puppet master either. She sent innocent children to retrieve the poisonous apple from the blind witch…most of who died in the process. She betrayed her friend Maleficent so that she could steal back the Dark Curse she gave her. She set up the Genie and framed him for King Leopold’s murder just so that she could get revenge on Snow White. She kidnapped Belle because she was “an important chess piece.” And she killed her own father to cast the Dark Curse.

Every villain on this show has manipulated or cheated in order to achieve their own selfish goals, and each one of them was converted to the “dark side” by someone else. A lot of people like to blame Rumpel for turning Regina evil (which is partially true) but people forget that The Dark One manipulated and fooled Rumpel into taking the Dark One’s place. He disguised himself as a poor begger and betrayed Rumpel’s trust. Everyone has been manipulated and everyone started out innocent. So saying that Rumpel is more evil than Regina is false. I think they’re equal. Each of them has manipulated and used people on a grand scale. It just so happens that Rumpel was better at it.

[the fairest]

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

I know that. My argument was that a lot of people bash Regina for her evil deeds here yet no one seems to bash Rumple’s deeds, which IMO, are worse.

I don’t agree. The main reason why Regina has received so much criticism lately is because a good portion of the character centric episodes have been centered on her. So naturally, people are going to focus their criticism on her. But whenever one of Rumpel’s character centric episodes airs, people criticize him as well.

[Myril]

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

It’s annoying how inconsistent characters are and do whatever needs to be done for the plot regardless of previous episodes. I’m thinking about David here, since he’s been there when Snow and Emma where away in FTL and Regina did show him several times that she was changing compared to in this episode how he swiftly made his mind up about her.

Being inconsistent is very human. David trusted Regina with Henry, with some reason, but he didn’t trust her per se. And whatever seriousness to change Regina showed the past 2-3 weeks (wasn’t much more than that), there was someone they trusted killed now and by Regina – or so they were led to believe. After all what Regina did in the past hard not to assume she was back to her evil self. The characters don’t know what we as audience know.

And Rumple. He was about to let Regina get hit by the arrows, which would have defeated his entire time manipulating her to cast the curse. Sure BF stopped the arrows but what if she hadn’t? I guess he would’ve just started over from scratch with a new apprentice.

He would have eventually intervened at that point already – if necessary. But Snow did that, so no need to do anything for him.

Emma’s lie detector power seems to be inconsistent as well. She saw Hook lied immediately in FTL for instance.

No lie detection is all reliable. It’s about spotting signs in body language, facial expressions, and voice tone – what gives hints that someone could be lying, but they are only hints. Basically these hints are only suggesting, that there is a discrepancy between what someone says and what they are feeling at that very moment, or how they are feeling about what they are saying, and such discrepancies can have different reasons, lying is just one possible reason. Even people rather good at it are never ever 100 percent right, they are just slightly better than random guessing would do. It’s not a power (only Emma called it one when talking to children) it’s an aquired skill. Some people seem to be natural talents at it, because they had no formal training, but they had years of experience with lies. And they say, it takes a liar to know one, something scientific research recently seemed to support, and something I think is very true for Emma. Don’t see any inconsistencies here, more a writing that thankfully is not pretending that lie detection is an always sure thing for anyone.

I loved Regina and i liked Hook and Cora’s scenes. It was fun to see Zelenka appear as the fish guy lol. So far we’ve had portals, Atlantis’ shield, a Wraith, Beckett and Zelenka so I wonder what the next Stargate related thing will be 😛

Yup, was fun to see him. But they’re filming in Vancouver, so somewhat to expect to see one or the other from Stargate or series like Smallville and Sanctuary here again (like Meghan Ory, who played a guest character on Sanctuary in one episode).

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