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@Hellraiser-89 wrote:
@The Fairest wrote:
But Regina has sacrificed children before. All the children she sent to the Blind Witch were eventually eaten. Hansel and Gretal are the only ones who survived.
How is that Regina’s fault? It was the blind witch who ate them.
Yes, that was partially Regina’s fault. She sent innocent children to steal something from an insane witch who eats children. Come on dude! 😆 Why didn’t she go in herself? Why did she send in children who had no way defending themselves to steal something from one of the most powerful people in the Enchanted Forest? She did it because she didn’t want face her enemy herself (much like what Rumpel does).
Ugh! I hate arguing against Regina. She’s one of my favorite characters, so this debate is literally killing me. 😡
[adrotate group="5"]@Hellraiser-89 wrote:
As for the whole debate here about Regina being evil, which I have admittedly not read through that throughly, it’s funny how everyone’s quick to say she’s bad for Henry and she’s dangerous to him and so on. Because let’s face it, it wasn’t Regina’s fault that Henry died in the finale. It was Gold’s. He was the one who trapped Emma in the elevator and he was the one who prevented them from getting to Henry in time, all to get his magic back. Regina just benefited from that too, but she would never endanger Henry’s life to get magic.
I know there’s a lot of Dearies on this board, and I don’t hate Rumple or anything like that. He’s one of my favorites actually. But there’s also no doubt in my mind that he’s the most evil character on this show.Whenever Rumple does his evil thang, I’m in awe of the magnificent bastard. But I daresay most would agree that no matter how much you may love him, you’ve gotta admit he wasn’t a great father figure for Bae once he resorted to dark magic. Same deal with Regina, she’s fabulous when she does her thang too, and she’s not a good mother figure as a result. Neither of ’em should be entrusted with the welfare of a young child IMO.
@Phee wrote:
@Hellraiser-89 wrote:
As for the whole debate here about Regina being evil, which I have admittedly not read through that throughly, it’s funny how everyone’s quick to say she’s bad for Henry and she’s dangerous to him and so on. Because let’s face it, it wasn’t Regina’s fault that Henry died in the finale. It was Gold’s. He was the one who trapped Emma in the elevator and he was the one who prevented them from getting to Henry in time, all to get his magic back. Regina just benefited from that too, but she would never endanger Henry’s life to get magic.
I know there’s a lot of Dearies on this board, and I don’t hate Rumple or anything like that. He’s one of my favorites actually. But there’s also no doubt in my mind that he’s the most evil character on this show.Whenever Rumple does his evil thang, I’m in awe of the magnificent bastard. But I daresay most would agree that no matter how much you may love him, you’ve gotta admit he wasn’t a great father figure for Bae once he resorted to dark magic. Same deal with Regina, she’s fabulous when she does her thang too, and she’s not a good mother figure as a result. Neither of ’em should be entrusted with the welfare of a young child IMO.
Basically. 😆
@myril wrote:
@Hellraiser-89 wrote:
I loved Regina and i liked Hook and Cora’s scenes. It was fun to see Zelenka appear as the fish guy lol. So far we’ve had portals, Atlantis’ shield, a Wraith, Beckett and Zelenka so I wonder what the next Stargate related thing will be 😛
Yup, was fun to see him. But they’re filming in Vancouver, so somewhat to expect to see one or the other from Stargate or series like Smallville and Sanctuary here again (like Meghan Ory, who played a guest character on Sanctuary in one episode).
omg! what? I had not even noticed it was David Nickle!!! holy molly… I have to watch this episode again!
Everything about this episode was a least favorite moment for me.
Not because I didn’t like the story, not that I didn’t find the acting as brilliant as ever, but just ’cause it was so so sad.I did very much love that Pongo had some screen action, how ever brief, more of that please 😀 and the way they’ve chosen to use the dreamcatcher, connecting dreams, memories, storytelling…
LOVE IT- I hope they will explore those ideas more, very intrigued at where they might take it.@Hellraiser-89 wrote:
As for the whole debate here about Regina being evil, which I have admittedly not read through that throughly, it’s funny how everyone’s quick to say she’s bad for Henry and she’s dangerous to him and so on.
HR, the debate was never about how evil Reggie was. The debate came about because a couple of people were slamming Emma hard for stepping up to the plate and taking a stand against Reggie. Real life comparisons between adoptive parents/foster parents were being used whereas I don’t believe they should as this isn’t real life, it’s a fantasy show. I mean seriously, we have an Evil Queen who is responsible for murdering numerous people, who brokered a baby through Rumplestiltskin and who enacted the dark curse and we’re suppose to compare her to a real life adoptive mom? She’s the Evil Queen! 😆 😆 😆
What I keep trying to say is let’s leave the real world out of this. It’s suppose to be a fantasy story. Let’s have fun theorizing and waiting to see what comes next but for goodness sake, let’s be rational & sensible here. We can’t bash characters based on what happens in the real world when SB and FTL isn’t anything like it nor do either play by the same laws or rules. Come on now, we are talking about a town where Dr. Frankenstein resides and practices medicine, Ruby the werewolf works at the local diner, Maleficent, the evil sorceress, resides beneath the town library and we’ve got a live wooden puppet hiding out somewhere. Let’s get some perspective here and leave the heavy “real life” stuff out of the equation.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
………………. this isn’t real life, it’s a fantasy show. I mean seriously, we have an Evil Queen who is responsible for murdering numerous people, who brokered a baby through Rumplestiltskin and who enacted the dark curse and we’re suppose to compare her to a real life adoptive mom? She’s the Evil Queen! 😆 😆 😆
What I keep trying to say is let’s leave the real world out of this. It’s suppose to be a fantasy story. Let’s have fun theorizing and waiting to see what comes next but for goodness sake, let’s be rational & sensible here. We can’t bash characters based on what happens in the real world when SB and FTL isn’t anything like it nor do either play by the same laws or rules. Come on now, we are talking about a town where Dr. Frankenstein resides and practices medicine, Ruby the werewolf works at the local diner, Maleficent, the evil sorceress, resides beneath the town library and we’ve got a live wooden puppet hiding out somewhere. Let’s get some perspective here and leave the heavy “real life” stuff out of the equation.
Something about this is very intriguing. For a while I’ve been wondering if the writers where going to take it to that level and make it kind of a metanarrative or what’s the word ? a story, about a story, about a story… Anyone know the novel ‘Sophie’s World’ ?? I read it as a young teen and this story makes you almost start to believe Sophie is a real person and that she is going to jump out of the book on next page. They sort of touched on that notion in ‘A Neverending Story’, as a nother example..
Anyway back to Once- For a while I believed they were going to do that. Set the Fairytalecharacters free, so to speak… To take Evil Queen as an example: In fairytales, who is always, with out a doubt the bad guy? -Evil Queen, ofcourse. This is because she is written, narrated, etc that way always. It’s her destiny and nothing can change it. Because she herself has no say in it, no way to make a different choice, she is a character in a story- somebody else is pulling the strings…. But if she was somehow to be set free in the real world, via a curse perhabs 😉 she was free of those strings and could then make her own choices. This is to some extend what they are already doing with the show, but I believe they could delve in to it much more- this would be very very interesting I think..
They also touch on it a bit with Neal in his appartment and walking the streets of New York, this scene had a completely different feel to it and fooled a lot of us into thinking we where watching the wrong show. When you think about it Neal Emma and Henry so far are the only characters to have been in the ‘real world’ because Storybrook is still within that boundary curse and somewhat still a fairytale world.I know that really had nothing to do with your initial conversation 😆 but that is what it made me think about.
I think I understand medchen 😀 Neal’s scene was different because it was set in the “real world” as oppose to Storybrooke. Right now we are seeing fairy tale characters from a world with their own set of rules. It will be interesting to see how much of the real world comes into play as the series goes on. You’re bang on about a story within a story with a story. First story is the Enchanted Forest where everyone is already scripted. Second story is Reggie’s cursed world of Storybrook where she has scripted everyone. Third story is Storybrook, post curse, meshing with the real world and what’s left of the Enchanted Forest. Here, everyone has free will. It’s a new story, a blank page, where everyone gets to write their own story.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
This episode was amazing!
Favorite Moments:
-Snow and Charming’s afternoon delight.
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-Mr. Gold and Belle’s picnic (even though it got interrupted by a Storybrooke crisis…again)
-The big reveal that Archie was actually alive! THANK YOU JESUS!
-The first scene between Regina and Emma. Not because it was sweet, but because it was just so deliciously awkward.
-Seeing Rumpelstiltskin again. We haven’t seen him in his usual impish form since “The Doctor.”
-The scene between Snow and Regina in her cell. I loved how Snow was willing to give Regina a second chance to redeem herself. Too bad she didn’t take it though.
-Regina’s almost-execution scene. I loved how unrepentant and dramatic she was in that scene. And I loved the way Rumpel lurked in the background like a demon in the shadows.
-THE PROMO!!! 😮 😮 😮Least Favorite Moments:
-Cora being Cora. I hated that she framed Regina for Archie’s “murder.” That was beyond cruel.
-Hook’s kind of dense. “Why did you cloak my ship?” Dude…so Rumpel doesn’t jump out of nowhere and blast you into a million pieces THAT’S WHY! 😆
-Too much of the same old Regina sob story. It’s becoming a bit suffocating. But I did enjoy seeing her as her usual sexy Evil Queen self again. Her costumes in this episode were pretty amazing too.
-Not enough Belle. I’m hoping the writers correct this error with next week’s episode.Loved this episode! It had a perfect balance of all our main characters and the actors were magnificent. Lana Parilla, Robert Carlyle and Ginnifer Goodwin in particular. 😉
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
I think I understand medchen 😀 Neal’s scene was different because it was set in the “real world” as oppose to Storybrooke. Right now we are seeing fairy tale characters from a world with their own set of rules. It will be interesting to see how much of the real world comes into play as the series goes on. You’re bang on about a story within a story with a story. First story is the Enchanted Forest where everyone is already scripted. Second story is Reggie’s cursed world of Storybrook where she has scripted everyone. Third story is Storybrook, post curse, meshing with the real world and what’s left of the Enchanted Forest. Here, everyone has free will. It’s a new story, a blank page, where everyone gets to write their own story.
Oh yaeh! actually didn’t even think of it that literally, but you’re right.
About the free will- Yes but they dont have that yet really do they ? They are all still pretty much set in their own respective arctypes- The princess- The prince- The evil queen- The savior
Quote from this episode “We all know who you are Regina and who you are always going to be” or something like that, Emma said to Regina when she thinks Regina killed Archie. She’s the evil queen- ergo- she’s always going to be evil.
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