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@dub1026 wrote:
@myril wrote:
Rumple making Emma use magic. Snow wasn’t the only one feeling uncomfortable with that. It gave me the creeps. Emma having magic, and using magic is one thing, but letting Rumple show her how to use it even for just a moment – he of all people! No good thing. And what irony that then Regina is the one to tell Emma, all magic comes with a price. Well, Regina most certainly does know, and especially if it comes to Rumple.
I kind of like that Rumple is helping Emma. He too, is trying to redeem himself with Belle, and be a better person. Maybe this(using GOOD magic), and finding his son, is exactly what he needs! š
Let’s see … Rumpel taught Cora how to use magic – she likes to rip out hearts, kill innocent people, is nearly as manipulative as Rumple, breaks her daughter to turn her into what she wants her to be, so great teaching. Rumple taught Regina – who became the vengeful Evil Queen destroying most of the magical lands besides all the harm she did before to people. Rumple is really a great teacher.
Right, he only taught them magic, maybe manipulated them into to doing some things, still can’t and won’t blame him for all the wrong doings and choises of these two women, in the end they are responsible for what they did. But I don’t care, that he tries to redeem himself for Belle, he would have sacrificed Snow and Emma to save his own skin, and I’m convinced he still would do it any time it might seem necessary to him. He is still manipulative, and toying with people. Better person? He might be trying, but wouldn’t trust him to teach Emma the way of magic.
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@myril wrote:
@dub1026 wrote:
@myril wrote:
Rumple making Emma use magic. Snow wasn’t the only one feeling uncomfortable with that. It gave me the creeps. Emma having magic, and using magic is one thing, but letting Rumple show her how to use it even for just a moment – he of all people! No good thing. And what irony that then Regina is the one to tell Emma, all magic comes with a price. Well, Regina most certainly does know, and especially if it comes to Rumple.
I kind of like that Rumple is helping Emma. He too, is trying to redeem himself with Belle, and be a better person. Maybe this(using GOOD magic), and finding his son, is exactly what he needs! š
Let’s see … Rumpel taught Cora how to use magic – she likes to rip out hearts, kill innocent people, is nearly as manipulative as Rumple, breaks her daughter to turn her into what she wants her to be, so great teaching. Rumple taught Regina – who became the vengeful Evil Queen destroying most of the magical lands besides all the harm she did before to people. Rumple is really a great teacher.
Right, he only taught them magic, maybe manipulated them into to doing some things, still can’t and won’t blame him for all the wrong doings and choises of these two women, in the end they are responsible for what they did. But I don’t care, that he tries to redeem himself for Belle, he would have sacrificed Snow and Emma to save his own skin, and I’m convinced he still would do it any time it might seem necessary to him. He is still manipulative, and toying with people. Better person? He might be trying, but wouldn’t trust him to teach Emma the way of magic.
I don’t know. We’ve seen Rumple use magic for good when saving children from the Ogres Wars. He used it for good with Henry and his nightmares. Blue and her fairies use magic for good. So, I think it just depends on the state of one’s heart and the purpose of the magic. Maybe even the type of magic.
But then, we have Rumple, who started off with a good kind heart, get corrupted by dark magic. Yet, we have fairies who use it as a living and they seem unaffected by it’s use.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
I wouldn’t really say that Rumpelstiltskin is trying that hard–I get that smee is a villain, but he still tied the guy up and kept him in some basement for some information. And from spoilers, we know that he will find some unwilling test subject to test out a spell that will allow him to him leave Storybrooke.
From what it seems, he has just gotten better at hiding things from her.
I was a bit surprised that Emma told him that she could use magic. I get that she needed information from him and all (and that she had hit a low for a moment thinking that she was just some sort of pawn and that she had no free-will of her own), but I think it would have been smarter to keep some things a secret, especially since Rumpelstiltskin himself has not really be truthful with everyone.
I have a feeling that he is going to be attempting to use some of Emma’s magic for his own use. He was a bit eager for her to use magic, and seemed almost insistent that she be the one to use the dreamcatcher.
The only thing I could see Rumpel using Emma’s magic for is finding Baelfire. And in the end, that will benefit her as well considering he’s probably Neal. But other than that, I don’t think we’ll have to worry about Emma becoming Rumpel’s new apprentice.
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I have a feeling that he is going to be attempting to use some of Emma’s magic for his own use. He was a bit eager for her to use magic, and seemed almost insistent that she be the one to use the dreamcatcher.
Saw an article yesterday where K&H confirmed what I’d suspected, that Rumple got her to use magic to test her powers, so he could get a sense of how he can use her. Dude always has an ulterior motive when he “helps” someone.
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Spoilers-Kitsis-Horowitz-1058535.aspxIt seems like Emma is going to continue to discover her magical abilities and it looks like Rumplestiltskin (Robert Carlyle) is very interested in helping her.
Horowitz: We’re going to see that the magic within Emma becomes something that’s really important to her on her journey of self-discovery this season. And it’s definitely something that interests Rumple.
Kitsis: I think there’s something about Mr. Gold, which is he’s never one to miss an opportunity.He looked at Emma like he looked at Regina before she knew how to harness her magic. Was that on purpose?
Kitsis: Yes. His wheels were spinning there. He realized that Emma has magic at the end of Episode 9 and he tests her in this episode. When it holds true, I think he thinks, “Ahhh!” It’s like looking at someone with whole new eyes.Did anyone else notice or catch THE MISTAKE AND PROBLEM made in āThe Cricket Gameā in the final scene between Queen Regina and Rumplestiltskin about the Dark Curse? Please bear with me; I believe my point to be valid. So in Season 1, Episode 2, Regina calls upon Maleficent, asking for the Dark Curse, which she traded for a āsleeping curseā (Snowās apple) which Regina said āfailedā. Remember that Maleficent said specifically that it was Snow and Charmingās wedding night. But the point Iām making is: Regina TRADED the Curse for the sleeping curse, which means that Snowās āapple incidentā had not taken place before the trade. Now, in āThe Cricket Gameā, Snow and Charming are obviously past the āapple incidentā and are fighting Leopold for the kingdom. Here is where I got confused and thought there was a problem: When Rumplestiltskin calls upon Regina (after sheās been cursed never to hurt Snow and Charming again), he brings to her attention that āthey cannot be harmed in this landā, implying that she should send them to another land in which she can inflict pain on them and enact her revenge. Basically, heās giving her the idea for āThe Dark Curseā. In the episode, Regina had never thought of this because she did not need to send them to another realm to enact her revenge. This is the problem: at this point, Regina SHOULD have already known about The Dark Curse BECAUSE sheād traded it to Maleficent for the sleeping curse (Snowās failed apple), which happened BEFORE Snow and Charmingās attack on Leopold. So, according to the story, the timeline is: Regina trades The Dark Curse with Maleficent for the sleeping curse, Snow eats the apple, she is awakened when Charming kisses her, they plan on taking the kingdom back. Regina calls upon Maleficent wanting The Dark Curse back, (now according to the Cricket Game) Regina goes to war against Snow and Charming with Leopold, she loses and is cursed, then is approached BY Rumplestiltskin implying that she cannot fight Snow and Charming in this land, but she can seek her revenge on them in another. But sheās already supposed to know about The Dark Curse according to the timeline given to us by the writers. Now before you disagree with me and say that she could have already had the Curse by the time Rumple proposed it, I answer: Then why would she have needed it in the first place before she was cursed and unable to attack Snow and Charming? Think about it. I think the writers messed up.
We don’t know under what circumstances Rumple originally gave Reggie the Dark Curse. He did however, give it to her before all this. In the episode, he clearly clarified for her that she couldn’t hurt them in this land but that didn’t mean she couldn’t in another land and then he immediately left. He didn’t need to say anything more because she obviously put two and two together and realized she finally needed the Dark Curse. So yes, she knew about it before but had no reason to go to another land until now. That’s why she initially traded it to Maleficent and now needed it back. So no mistake was made.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
I don’t think there is any mistake. Regina obviously just needed a little reminder from Rumple about the curse, that’s all. Of course she knew about it already, because Rumple didn’t have to say much before she realized what he was talking about.
Why she got the Dark Curse from him in the first place, we might now know, it might be that she didn’t even intend to get it but that Rumple sneaked it in somehow. She considered it useless enough for her to trade it with Maleficient – and obviously once trade is done, she would be very unlikely to get it back, thus it wouldn’t be important for her to remember and she simply forgot about it.@The Auburn Girl wrote:
Did anyone else notice or catch THE MISTAKE AND PROBLEM made in āThe Cricket Gameā in the final scene between Queen Regina and Rumplestiltskin about the Dark Curse? Please bear with me; I believe my point to be valid. (…)
No mistakes made, but it seems to confuse some people
The timeline (with a few more events to give orientation, but not all events shown in flashback so far):
- Someone creates the Dark Curse. Good guess is Rumple, but we can’t be sure of that. (not shown yet)
At some unknown point Rumple gave Regina the Dark Curse for whatever deal. When exactly and how and why then hasn’t been told in the show so far. Out of whatever reason though Regina didn’t make use of it at that point. (not shown so far, but in 1×02 we learn she had that curse and traded it)
Regina has the idea to go after Snow by using the Sleeping Curse. She trades the Dark Curse for the Sleeping Curse with Maleficent,(based on what we learn in 1×02), probably because she finds it at that time useless for her goal. Can only speculate why Maleficent traded it for her Sleeping Curse. Maybe she considered it to take revenge on Aurora’s mother / family? But for sure Maleficent didn’t use the curse.(Another interesting story not told so far)
Regina sends Hansel and Gretel to get a magic apple from the Blind Witch (not to confuse with the other that later was at the meeting when Regina first tried to enact the Dark Curse) (1×09). She combines it with the Sleeping Curse (or she alread did that, then traded the cursed apple and needs it back, but think the first idea works better). (that is a guess, based on what Rumple tells in 2×08 about Regina inventing a new method to deliver the Sleeping Curse) (this could have happened before the trade or after, but around that time)
King Georg captures Charming, Regina trades him for some riches, and then pressures Snow into taking a bite of the cursed apple. Snow under Sleeping Curse (1×21)
Charming escapes Regina with the help of the huntsman, but Regina manages to sent him into the Infinite Forest. Rumple shows up, offers Charming help to get out of the forest and find Snow. As deal he makes him hid the love potion with Maleficent. Charming does that, then finds Snow and the magic kiss happens. (ep 1×22)
Snow and Charming go after King Georg and Regina. They defeat King Georgs army and capture Regina, the Evil Queen. (this episode)
Rumple makes a deal with Snow, and creates a protection spell, making it impossible for Regina to harm Snow or Charming in “this land” (aka Enchanted Forest, Fairy Tale Land). They ban Regina. (this episode)
Shortly after: Rumple visits Regina and points out to her, that she can’t harm Snow or Charming in this land, but doesn’t mean she can’t harm them in another land. That is when Regina remembers the Dark Curse – and let’s her father get the carriage, she has a wedding to get to. (in this episode)
Regina crashes the wedding at the castle and tells everybody there, she’s going to destroy their happiness (pilot)
Regina goes and gets the curse back from Maleficent (1×02)
Sometime between that and the enacting of the curse Hook sneaks into Regina’s palace to get information from Belle, who is kept there. Regina catches him and offers a deal, sending him to take the heart of her mother Cora. Hooks goes to Wonderland, and Cora makes a new deal with him. Hook brings back Cora to the Enchanted Forest, seemingly dead. (2×09)
Some months after the wedding Regina enacts the curse. To do it she has to kill her father. Emma is born and escapes the curse via the magic wardrobe (pilot, 1×02)
It is an interesting question, why she got or had the curse before and traded it with Maleficent. But it’s just that this story hasn’t been told so far on the show.
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