- This topic has 57 replies, 23 voices, and was last updated 8 years, 11 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
I think this is the kind of cognitive activity A&E seem to be attributing to us, their show’s audience. They are assuming that if a storyline or character arc worked before, it’s enough for this audience to simply repeat it ad nauseum,
They keep hearing “Give us more [favourite character] and [favourite relationship]; show us our fanfic”, so I think they end up feeling that they ought to write something for those parts of the audience, but it seems to just divert resources into episodes and plotlines that fail to rise above the level of “watchable, sort of”.
[adrotate group="5"]Gaultheria's fanvids: http://youtube.com/sagethrasher
I wonder sometimes if you just can’t let go of Baelfire dying on the show…..Neil is gone. Rumple needs to move on, and if another child reminds him of what he did to his first son, and helps him become a better father and person now, I think that’s a realistic way to end his arc.
I think u mean move forward, not sure if u are a parent, but i saw a article about a father of some girl that died in some shooting in a university( in USA) and i think some of the parents in this thread can confirm that more than me, since im no parent, but he said that people used to say that he had to move on, bc he had other kids, and his quote was, that people are wrong when say move on, people should say move forward, bc you can`t ever move on from your kid death, u can continue to live, so u can move forward with your live, BUT never move on, because in reality the dead of a kid will always create a hole that cant never be replaced, the problem is that OUAT doesnt deal with those things, and will probably show that Bae was not enough bc was not his son with Belle his TL, that with that kid that hole is replace, lik Bae never existed.
ALL OF THIS! The loss of a child is a wound that can never be healed, I can’t even imagine myself if I ever lost one of my own. You can have an entire tribe of twenty kids, but have the same level of love for all of them….there really should be no such thing as a favorite child, each child should be your favorite, and to lose one is like losing a piece of your soul. You can have another kid, but they will never be able to fill the void left behind from his/her sibling.
Neal should have a place in Rumple’s heart that’s irreplaceable….Belle can go have quintuplets and none of them should be able to fill that void, because they’re not Baelfire. And if Adam and Eddy make it seem like Rumple, in favor of his new child can just forget about his first born son, the one he became the Dark One and turned others into monsters, and raised hell for centuries over, creating a curse that he waited 28 years to break just to find his son…..that’s a new low, I don’t even think OUAT can sink to that level of blatant disregard and shame. Then again based on what we’ve already seen…would it really be that much of a surprise?
I think this is the kind of cognitive activity A&E seem to be attributing to us, their show’s audience. They are assuming that if a storyline or character arc worked before, it’s enough for this audience to simply repeat it ad nauseum,
They keep hearing “Give us more [favourite character] and [favourite relationship]; show us our fanfic”, so I think they end up feeling that they ought to write something for those parts of the audience, but it seems to just divert resources into episodes and plotlines that fail to rise above the level of “watchable, sort of”.
Adam and Eddy are trying to please everybody, and that’s just not possible. I understand they don’t wanna step on any toes, but if you’re going to try to be a great show running it the way you want to run it, you can expect to rub some people the wrong way. To put it simply….the fandom has been writing Once Upon A Time since Season 3.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
The loss of a child is a wound that can never be healed, I can’t even imagine myself if I ever lost one of my own. You can have an entire tribe of twenty kids, but have the same level of love for all of them
PREACH! All this. Seriously. Do none of the writers have kids? Do they not have parents they could talk to? Siblings with kids? Were they raised in the woods by beasts?
They keep hearing “Give us more [favourite character] and [favourite relationship]; show us our fanfic”, so I think they end up feeling that they ought to write something for those parts of the audience, but it seems to just divert resources into episodes and plotlines that fail to rise above the level of “watchable, sort of”.
Adam and Eddy are trying to please everybody, and that’s just not possible. I understand they don’t wanna step on any toes, but if you’re going to try to be a great show running it the way you want to run it, you can expect to rub some people the wrong way. To put it simply….the fandom has been writing Once Upon A Time since Season 3.
I wonder how representative that portion of the audience is of the OUAT fandom more generally. I mean, it strikes me that it’s the part that’s first and foremost invested in ships? Not even specific characters which may or may not, as part of their character development, be part of a romantic pairing, but specifically, ships (and only specific ships). I just can’t imagine that this is the majority of the OUAT audience, but I might be wrong — and it might also be the more vocal portion.
But you guys are right. Emma’s story has been sacrificed in favor of floating the popular ship. I wouldn’t necessarily even object to the ship itself if it were done well — but at the expense of totally ruining Emma’s character, rebooting her to S1, and then making her story a derivative of her male romantic interest’s redemption arc? That’s just insulting.
They’ve routinely thrown Rumbelle under the bus, and just flipped a large birdie to all Rumple fans who liked the complexity of the character. Their reluctance to step on toes seems rather selective to me. Some toes are more equal than others 😉
Rumple becoming the DO again and going to the underworld to rescue Bae is the ONLY reason the writers can give to explain Rumple’s actions in the finale and for it to be in-character. Any other excuse and the writers have just basically shot their most complex character in the head.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI’m with PoM. Though, to be fair, a Rumbelle baby does not have to be a “replacement” for Rumple. It couldn’t be if the characters are at ALL IC (Rumple was willing to die for his son, and Belle knows and respects that), but that doesn’t mean Belle should be denied kids with her true love just because Rumple lost his son. Or that Rumple should never have another child.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
Yeah I think there is a big difference between moving forward, but still obviously not being able to let go of losing your first child, and having another child, thinking that can replace what happened to Neal. I don’t think the writers would do that. I think it is however very realistic to think that Rumple could use this next child as redemption, to remind himself of Neal and to be able to move forward knowing he can give this new child everything he failed to give to Neal. He can have another child and still honor Neal, if the writers don’t screw it up.
but that doesn’t mean Belle should be denied kids with her true love just because Rumple lost his son. Or that Rumple should never have another child.
I see what you’re saying, @Keb. But I think @WG’s comment is pointing to a troubling discourse that’s been happening on this show since at least Baby Snowflake. I.e. that a) parenthood is redemptive (especially for women), and, more importantly 2) that children are fungible (i.e. they are, more or less, a commodity. If you break one, you can get a new one, and get “another shot at it”). It’s not a constant theme, but it crops up here and there. I mean it just cropped up as the motivation for why Hook flipped out and killed PapaJones — his father had “replaced” him. This, as @WG is saying, is simply not an accurate representation of how a parent feels about all and any of their children. You can have one or ten, but parental love isn’t a zero sum game — it’s not that you have some finite quantity of love that then gets subdivided between siblings, like an overstretched bank account.
Certainly, Neal’s death should not invalidate the possibility of children in Rumbelle’s future. But if that’s the core of Rumple’s redemptive arc, then that not only completes Rumple’s (and Belle’s) character assassination (not that there’s anything left to assassinate, really), but also flushes Neal’s story down the drain.
I hope @POM is right. But based on A&E’s interviews, I honestly don’t think they’ve thought it out at all. They’re usually pretty transparent in telegraphing their intentions. In the case of the Rumple twist, they called it “a crime of opportunity.” Translation — they pulled it out of their hindside with no regard to how it might play out in the future.
Seemed legit at the time.
I think this is the kind of cognitive activity A&E seem to be attributing to us, their show’s audience. They are assuming that if a storyline or character arc worked before, it’s enough for this audience to simply repeat it ad nauseum,
They keep hearing “Give us more [favourite character] and [favourite relationship]; show us our fanfic”, so I think they end up feeling that they ought to write something for those parts of the audience, but it seems to just divert resources into episodes and plotlines that fail to rise above the level of “watchable, sort of”.
It’s a fine line and I’ve never denied that walking the “own creativity” and “please viewers” line is easy. I just don’t think A and E have done a great job with either at this point. Their own creativity takes them down some *icky* paths (the wonky consent, the continue racial problems, ect ect ect–you all know my soap box by now) and the “please viewers” only leads to more polarization among the fandom which leads to more “please fans” and then it become a never ending cycle.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
The topic ‘The Dark One…Again’ is closed to new replies.