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April 26, 2014 at 5:59 pm #263982
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ParticipantIn Season One…Rumpelstilskin warned David that anyone who killed Regina, would become just as Evil as she ever was. So my question now is…if anyone were to kill Zelena…would the same curse thingie work and make them just as Wicked as Zelena?
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April 26, 2014 at 6:07 pm #263983RumplesGirl
KeymasterInteresting question. The rule, I think, is a bit sloppy because it doesn’t apply across the board. For example, Snow got a dark spot on her heart when she killed Cora but she didn’t turn as evil as Cora. Either the rule was only for the episode “Heart of Darkness” or it only applies to Regina (which is odd).
We think that Regina and Emma together will take down Zelena. Regina can’t really go more evil after making her way down Redemption Road (not after her constant back and forth in S2). Emma…hm. Well, I fully expect that Emma will always be tempted by the dark side of magic and using it for convenience but she’s also True Love Incarnate. If anyone could resist turning evil it would be the Savior.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 26, 2014 at 7:19 pm #263994Keb
ParticipantMy impression was that it was about vengeance rather than a simple trade. Also, just then Snow didn’t have anything balancing her out–she’d erased the effect (protection perhaps) of love in her heart, and it was clearly affecting all her interactions with everyone. That perhaps amplified the risk of her killing Regina out of vengeance.
When she killed Cora it was with mixed emotions and at least partly out of love for the family she was trying to save. It DID darken her heart, but perhaps less because (as Rumple pointed out) the killing was partly in self-defense/defense of her loved ones.
Also, Cora’s heart was never actually darkened much because it wasn’t in her body when she did most of her worst deeds.
So maybe the math still works–but there wasn’t as much darkness to take on, despite Cora’s villainy. So it was only as dark as Cora pre-Rumple breakup (which imo is still pretty shady, but her worst crimes at that point were lying and abandoning her child at that point).
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April 26, 2014 at 11:08 pm #264067Phee
ParticipantMy impression was that it was about vengeance rather than a simple trade. Also, just then Snow didn’t have anything balancing her out–she’d erased the effect (protection perhaps) of love in her heart, and it was clearly affecting all her interactions with everyone. That perhaps amplified the risk of her killing Regina out of vengeance.
Agreed with that. It was the path that killing Regina would have set Snow on that would have led to her becoming just as dark, especially in her current, loveless state.
Also, Cora’s heart was never actually darkened much because it wasn’t in her body when she did most of her worst deeds.
I’ll have to go back to compare properly, but I thought in the scene where Zelena had Regina’s heart, it looked redder than when she left it with Robin, as though it was continuing to lighten up, even though it wasn’t inside her at the time. If so, then Cora’s heart still should have been plenty dark, even though it wasn’t inside her. Perhaps Cora’s heart didn’t darken because it was born corrupt, so none of her deeds actually changed its nature,
April 27, 2014 at 5:19 am #264132Keb
ParticipantWell, Cora’s heart was pretty light in 216, and Adam answered a twitter question about it after we saw the spot in Snow’s heart…if my memory is correct. Basically he said, yup, it’s cuz it wasn’t in her body.
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April 27, 2014 at 9:54 am #264144obisgirl
ParticipantInteresting Keb. Do have a link to that twitter question ?
April 27, 2014 at 10:25 am #264153Keb
ParticipantNo…I really should start collecting those.
But google rescued me.
@lalala_broadway wasn't inside her when she did bad stuff. Remained pure in stasis.
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) March 25, 2013
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April 27, 2014 at 11:13 am #264157obisgirl
ParticipantThanks Keb!
April 27, 2014 at 11:15 am #264158RumplesGirl
KeymasterAnd that bothers me. I get that Adam answered that question during S2 when S3B wasn’t really conceived yet, but we just saw that Cora left a baby to die in the woods. She didn’t hand Zelena over to the fairies, she didn’t leave the baby on a doorstep, or even by the side of the road. She hid her in the woods and left.
I mean, if infanticide doesn’t blacken your heart then what on god’s green earth does?!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 27, 2014 at 11:20 am #264162Phee
ParticipantYou’d think that leaving a newborn alone in the woods would earn someone at least a black spot. But I guess maybe they did know back then that she’d done that. 😛
Looking at screencaps of Regina’s heart, on the whole, it does look about the same at both points in time, but it’s this shot in particular that had stuck in my head, making it seem like it looked a fair bit brighter…
Compared to the brightest it was in the earlier ep…
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